[Stoves] The end user

[Frank Shields]

Dear Stovers,

 

Perhaps I haven't thought about all the working of getting stoves to the
masses but it seems to me they are all -purchased- for distribution from
NGO's and the like. My thinking is that there need be a catalog of
'approved' stoves. Stoves grouped as to fuel type, stove type, in or
outdoor, passed efficiency tests etc.  Then anyone can design and build a
mockup, have it tested and grouped (at their expense) and if all goes well
have it in the catalog to be possibly chosen.  Then a small part of the cost
per stove (production, distribution, on site research etc.) goes to the
designer. There is no short of market (so many people need stoves) there
must be a better way to make this work than designing a stove from tin cans
then running all over the World to sell it like Paul and Dean are dong. We
need to define the methods to test stoves to give then the Groups they
belong in etc.  It's the Wild West out there!

 

Frank

 

 

Frank Shields

Control Laboratories, Inc.

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From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of
Paul Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 8:21 AM
To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
Subject: Re: [Stoves] The end user

 

Dear Paal and all,

While I agree with Paal, I point out one important additional element.   

The need to have good stoves available for the end users.

The GACC is involved in many aspects of stoves, but one in particular is the
stimulation of the supply of the stoves.   Stoves PLURAL and of numerous
types.   Which stoves, and where, and by whom are part of the basics that
GACC is facilitating while not doing nor dictating.   Not an easy task.  

So, linking Paal's comments and the GACC, should and can more attention to
the end users be given by the GACC?   And if so, then how, when, etc.

Paul



Paul S. Anderson, PhD  aka "Dr TLUD"
Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu   Skype: paultlud  Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  www.drtlud.com

 11/6/2012 3:31 AM, Paal Wendelbo wrote:

Dear Stovers and GACC

The discussion on the list must be crucial for GACC, though the end user for
the program naturally dos not participate in the discussion.  The academic
part of the discussion is really informative and important for us stove
designers but probably not that much for the end user. I feel there is too
much focus on stoves on the list and to little focus on the end user, the
cook and the fuel. What are the priorities of the end user? 

1.       Price of stoves 

2.       Price of fuel

3.       Economy 

4.       Jobs

5.       Waste as fuel

6.       Soot, tar on the pot and smoke

7.       Practical  use of stoves and fuel

8.       Design.

9.       Boiling beans.

10.   Minutes to boil 5 liter of water and MJ

11.   Health 

12.   Environment

13.   Biochar

It could be useful for all of us and especially for GACC, which has a unique
possibility with this program to really change the household energy and
health situation for the low income population in the world and in addition
open for utilization of combustible waste and income generating activities.

Regards Paal W paaw at nline.no 






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