[Stoves] Stove Matrix version 2

Paul Anderson psanders at ilstu.edu
Mon Apr 8 11:01:45 CDT 2013


To all,

I remember the Matrix to have columns at the right side to show 
LPG/alcohol/solar, etc.

I am looking for it, but that was 4 years ago.

Paul

Paul S. Anderson, PhD  aka "Dr TLUD"
Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu   Skype: paultlud  Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  www.drtlud.com

On 4/8/2013 6:01 AM, Robert Fairchild wrote:
> All,
>  Here it is as an attachment.
>  Bob
>
> --- On *Mon, 4/8/13, Paul Anderson /<psanders at ilstu.edu>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu>
>     Subject: Re: [Stoves] [biochar] Understanding FUEL EFFICIENCY vs
>     Energy efficiency
>     To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves"
>     <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>     Cc: "Kevin" <kchisholm at seaside.ns.ca>, biochar at yahoogroups.com,
>     "Hugh McLaughlin" <wastemin1 at verizon.net>, "Bob Fairchild"
>     <solarbobky at yahoo.com>
>     Date: Monday, April 8, 2013, 2:25 AM
>
>     Dear Kevin, Crispin and all,
>
>     We are in agreement.
>
>     "Stove Testing" is an expression that has different meaning to
>     different people.   WBT is one of the tests of stoves.   Just like
>     we want to have the Safety analysis reported.
>
>     Kevin's list of questions should be part of a Table of Stove
>     Characteristics      that includes price, etc etc etc.   I have
>     not seen such a table since I posted a Cookstove Matrix in March
>     2006. Here is the description and the link, but I cannot see the
>     actual matrix.   Erin or Tom, can you find it?
>>     http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/stove-matrix
>     Anyway, the point is that we need these kinds of consolidations of
>     the many factors.
>
>     Paul
>
>     Paul S. Anderson, PhD  aka "Dr TLUD"
>     Email:psanders at ilstu.edu  </mc/compose?to=psanders at ilstu.edu>    Skype: paultlud  Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>     Website:www.drtlud.com  <http://www.drtlud.com>
>
>     On 4/8/2013 12:40 AM, Kevin wrote:
>>     Dear Paul
>>     I would like to suggest a different way of looking at things....
>>     look at a stove through the eyes of the customer.
>>     (The "Customer" is the person or Organization that pays the
>>     Manufacturer for the Stove.)
>>     The fundamental question should be: "What does the Customer want?"
>>     Does the Customer want the stove to produce biochar?
>>     Does the Customer want the stove to have the least fuel input to
>>     accomplish a stated task?
>>     Does the Customer want to minimize products of combustion vented
>>     into the living space?
>>     Does the Customer want the stove to provide a space heating
>>     benefit for the stove user?
>>     Does the Customer want a stove that requires extended burn times
>>     between refuelling, and a minimum of attendance?
>>     Does the Customer want a single firing rate throughout the burn,
>>     OR, a "Two Level Firing Rate capability, OR a large range of
>>     firing capabilities?
>>     etc....
>>     "Efficiency" is basically a measure of "Resource Input to
>>     accomplish a desired task"
>>     It is not the purpose of "testing" to promote a particular
>>     technology or philosophy, but rather, to measure the
>>     effectiveness of accomplishing a given task of importance to the
>>     Customer..
>>     "The Customer is the King." Proper Testing Protocols should allow
>>     a Customer to test a range of stoves, under a variety of
>>     circumstances, so that he will be able to select the stove that
>>     best meets his requirements.
>>     Best wishes,
>>     Kevin
>>
>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>         *From:* Paul Anderson </mc/compose?to=psanders at ilstu.edu>
>>         *To:* Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>>         </mc/compose?to=stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org> ; Hugh
>>         McLaughlin </mc/compose?to=wastemin1 at verizon.net> ; Bob
>>         Fairchild </mc/compose?to=solarbobky at yahoo.com> ;
>>         biochar at yahoogroups.com </mc/compose?to=biochar at yahoogroups.com>
>>         *Sent:* Monday, April 08, 2013 1:50 AM
>>         *Subject:* [biochar] Understanding FUEL EFFICIENCY vs Energy
>>         efficiency
>>
>>         Dear Stovers and Biochar makers,
>>
>>         We are NOT sufficiently emphasizing that TLUDs/char-maker
>>         stoves can use
>>         fuel other than stick wood. When burning briquettes and
>>         pellets and
>>         cobs and shells (which most other stoves cannot burn very
>>         well), we are
>>         NOT burning tree-sourced fuel.
>>
>>         Crispin correctly says that a kg of wood in and pyrolyzed is
>>         no longer
>>         wood, and therefore is FUEL used, and that relates to FUEL
>>         Efficiency.
>>         TLUDs can consume more wood because they are converting some
>>         of that
>>         wood into charcoal. That is different from ENERGY efficiency,
>>         which
>>         can allow calculations for the energy in the charcoal that is
>>         not used.
>>
>>         Especially in char-making stoves, energy efficiency is better
>>         than the
>>         fuel efficiency IF USING WOOD. But if the fuel is not wood,
>>         then the
>>         WOOD-FUEL efficiency is 100% (none was burned in the cooking
>>         of the
>>         meal), and the ENERGY efficiency might be very good, while
>>         the FUEL
>>         efficiency (burning ag residues, dung, etc) might be low in
>>         comparison
>>         with other stoves, but no trees were cut or burned.
>>
>>         About the above, there will need to be some education given
>>         to the stove
>>         community (including GACC and manufacturers and governments).
>>         WHAT fuel
>>         is burned does make a difference if FUEL efficiency is an
>>         important
>>         criteria when evaluating stoves.
>>
>>         Just because wood is the traditional fuel used in stove
>>         testing does not
>>         mean that stoves that can also burn OTHER biomass should be
>>         judged on
>>         the WOOD-FUEL efficiency calculations. For places like Haiti,
>>         Rwanda,
>>         and many large zones of numerous large countries, to be able
>>         to cook
>>         WITHOUT FOREST DEGRADATION should be a major reason for
>>         choosing TLUD
>>         stoves.
>>
>>         Having written about this here does not mean that the message
>>         has
>>         reached the decision makers and those who report test results on
>>         cookstoves. And the makers of "stick-wood-burning stoves" are
>>         unlikely
>>         to want to tell this message to others.
>>
>>         Because the GACC is about stoves AND FUELS, I hope that proper
>>         recognition can be given in the discussions and decisions
>>         about the
>>         stoves that can have 100% avoidance of cutting wood, if that
>>         is important.
>>
>>         Paul
>>
>>         -- 
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