[Stoves] ETHOS / and in defence of Paal,: Glocally Networked Localised Initiaves ≠ "centralisation" or for that matter "decentralisation"

[Richard Stanley]

Paul, 

Hoping this gets through the filters of this group, you nicely describe the very philosophical differences I have with the centralize and mass produce movement at least for these technologies; We have had major success self sustaining success at that but by the very nature of it the centralized worlds access to it, such access tends to consume it to little beneficial end for the local producer/trainer. 

The whole idea of development surely cannot be to simply replicate our western industrialized model of development on the global community. It's a model that you in your own profession well know has serious distortions to the global economy given for example, our resource consumption patterns as against our proportion of the world's population, and the mere carbon footprint we make in trying to extoll the virtues of centralized mass production and distribution ---where such technologies as these can be managed at the local level. 

It's certainly agreed that  pure localized one-off initiatives are labor intensive to say the least and so much is lost in the process, as the learning is not generally transferred by the trainees-trained as trainers, to emerging groups in their own area. 

To me, its is not about "centralization" but about localization of initiative and responsibility and localization of reward--globally. Its about functioning as a mechanic of the process, to encourage this to happen in such a way as to assure local responsibility and initiative.  The process is monetised to assure self sustained participation . Everyone works at risk and reward and responsibility locally but the participants also learn to  share their findings globally 

And for 2014 as initially suggested by many colleagues, we are bent on assembling  an anthology on the subject by those who have been directly involved in it.

Knowing we all share the same end goals, all the best to you and the other many good like minds for the new year. 

Richard Stanley
www.legacyfound.org  


 
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On Dec 31, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Paul Anderson wrote:

Dear ', and all,

As much as I can agree with Paal's statements, but I think the cards are stacked against the success of decentralized efforts.

The issue that Paal raises about the need to have decentralized production of stoves (and fuels) is a touchy topic because the "model" of the affluent world is for centralized industrial production.   That centralized model is certainly a cornerstone of the GACC  and WB and many who feel that the model of the affluent world will work to resolve major issues in the developing world. And they control access to most of the funding.   And they present very convincing arguments.   (If they could not, they would not be in control of the situation.)

It would be good to have some examples of decentralized efforts having major impacts.   Maybe the spread of the Kenyan ceramic jiko (KCJ) is one example.

I will be at ETHOS and willing for such discussions if others step forward wanting to discuss this informally as an ad hoc sub-group.

Paul

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On 12/31/2013 10:15 AM, paaw at online.no wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:12:54 -0700,
> stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org wrote:
> 
>> Due to health and age it will not be possible for me to participate, but after 30 years working with task and followed the discussion at Stove list I have come to this conclusion.
>> 
>> There has to be a discussion at ETHOS about centralized or decentralized activities regarding fuel and stove production with a view on the enormous unemployment in developing countries. Taken into consideration the high demands of clean combustion, pellets will be the future biomass fuel for simple clean burning such as TLUD ND and FD. Energy forestry and agriculture energy production together collection of waste biomass of different types will give a lot of new needed jobs.
>> 
>> ·         Registration of local waste combustible biomass.
>> 
>> ·         Use of local resources
>> 
>> ·         Biochar production by cooking.
>> 
>> That will be the best way for GACC Stove program to support the low income groups all around the worl
>> 
>> Best regards Paal Wendelbo paaw at online.no
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