[Stoves] on ocean acidification

Thu Jul 4 22:14:39 CDT 2013

Paul O

The point Andrew was making when asking that the conversation about climate
be moved to another site was to prevent that sort of nonsense cluttering up
this site which is a domestic stoves discussion list.

When someone repeats a claims that the 'oceans have increased in acidity by
one third' and implying it is because of man-made CO2 emissions from fossil
fuels it deserves to be labelled exactly that o nonsense. The oceans are
alkaline, not acidic and cannot 'increase in acidity by one third' -
whatever that means. 

I wrote to you privately because the discussion does not belong here.

Please accept the moderator's view.

Thanks

Crispin 

From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of
Paul Olivier
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 8:09 PM
To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
Subject: [Stoves] on ocean acidification

In a previous email I had cited an article by Mark Bittman concerning ocean
acidification. Crispin responded to me off-list and said:

That was the most outrageous set of nonsense on oceans and CO2 I have seem.
What rubbish. 

 The oceans are not acidic.

CO2 absorbed by water turns about 1% into carbonic acid, a fragile
composition with a short lifespan.

If the oceans were to absorb many many gigatons of CO2 it would become
slightly less alkaline.

It seems that Bittman does not even know the most basic facts about oceans
and just attributes everything he sees to 'AGW'. His writings are not
helping the reputation of science. His view are not informing the
discussion. His conclusions are worthy of ridicule.

Fish and mollusk populations rise and fall with the food supply. When the
PDO changed in 1976 there were also large population shifts. It has shifted
again. The shift is 100% natural and has nothing to do with human fuel use.

 I replied to his email as follows:

Please do not label everything that you disagree with as rubbish, nonsense,
or as worthy of ridicule. It is hard to conduct a debate when you use such
language.

I would like to draw your attention to the following:
http://www.sightline.org/research/northwest-ocean-acidification/
http://www.sightline.org/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/02/OA-primer1.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification

http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/Ocean+Acidification
http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/What+is+Ocean+Acidification%3F

I would like to ask the members of this stove list: why do we go about
designing stoves? Are we only concerned about poor people in developing
countries who sit around dirty campfires? Or do we want to design stoves
that at the same time address important issues such as climate change,
global warming and ocean acidification? 

Thanks.

Paul

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