[Stoves] Fwd: from K Smith [stove] Smoked out: Coal and health

[Ron]

Tom, list etal

   Should also add that the words  "biomass" and "cook stoves" are in our list description.

Ron



On Jun 8, 2013, at 9:11 AM, "Tom Miles" <tmiles at trmiles.com> wrote:

> Thanks Paul
>  
> Health issues clearly are of interest.
>  
> Not everyone in the stoves community will want to receive regular information about health. I suggest two mechanisms:
> 1.      Kirk can subscribe us (tmiles at trmiles.com) and we can repost information of interest to the Stoves list.
> 2.      If there is a signup URL we can post it on the stoves list and link from the stoves website to Kirk’s list or archives.   
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Tom
>  
>  
> From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of Paul Anderson
> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 6:51 AM
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; Kirk Smith; Jay Smith; Hugh McLaughlin
> Subject: [Stoves] Fwd: from K Smith [stove] Smoked out: Coal and health
>  
> Stovers,
> 
> I have recently started to receive Kirk Smith's messages in his personal [stove] listserv.   Note that it is different from the [Stoves] listserv (capital S and plural s).  I wonder what messages I (and others) have missed in the past.   Of course, his focus is on health issues, which have not been sufficiently addressed in the Stoves Listserv.   Krik, is there an Archive of your previous messages?
> 
> And who else is on BOTH the [stove] and [Stoves] listserv?     
> 
> (to Tom M. and Erin, how can we address this needed linkage?   I think that Dr. Smith is appropriately focused on "health + stoves" and does not need the full "everything + stoves" that is on the Stoves Listserv.   It is we Stovers who what his "health" element added into our "everything" medley. )
> 
> I am forwarding Smith's message because it is certainly of interest to us Stovers.   And I add these comments:
> 
> 1.  The item correctly names coal burning stoves as a problem.   But I will anticipate Crispin's rely by saying that I agree with Crispin that there are not bad fuels, just bad stoves.   And that the breakthroughs about improved coal burning stoves are just starting to become known and they need further research.  
> 
> 2.  Remember, there are many different types of coal, so look for successful clean burning for a specific stove with a specific type of coal, and celebrate and advocate that success, rather than dwell upon the NON-successes of other stoves with other types of coal.  
> 
> 3.  The GACC needs to embrace the coal stoves as well as the biomass stoves and the stoves that use "other" fuels like biogas, LPG, etc.   
> 
> 4.  Crispin has experience with coal burning stoves in Mongolia.   Some are TLUDs.   Claims are that some are quite clean burning.   GETTING THIS INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO ALL OF US SHOULD BE ONE OF THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVES OF THE GACC AND ACESS.  GACC claims to be "stove neutral".   But it is not "stove agnostic".   Time for us all the be more knowledgeable about coal-burning stoves, and the GACC and ACESS represent us and have access to funding.
> 
> Enjoy Kirk's book review.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> Paul S. Anderson, PhD  aka "Dr TLUD"
> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu   Skype: paultlud  Phone: +1-309-452-7072
> Website:  www.drtlud.com
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:
> [stove] Smoked out: Coal and health
> Date:
> Fri, 07 Jun 2013 12:03:10 -0700
> From:
> Kirk R. Smith <krksmith at berkeley.edu>
> To:
> Kirk R. Smith <Krksmith at berkeley.edu>
> 
> 
> Part of a special issue of Lancet on China's health, June 8, 2013.  Note my emphasis on the household pollution from coal, which was missed by the book I reviewed/k
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