[Stoves] Edited version of comment from CECook Stoves Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1 Topic 2
Josh Kearns
yeah.yeah.right.on at gmail.com
Sun Mar 3 22:37:34 CST 2013
Maybe someone already asked/answered this, but does "90%" uncertainty as
you write actually mean "a 90% confidence interval"? That would make more
sense. A lot of research is to a 95% or 90% confidence interval.
JK
On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Anand Karve <adkarve at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Prof. Cook,
> I am an agricultural scientist. When we conduct field trials or
> collect field data for drawing conclusions, we work at an error
> probability level of 5%. Most of the variables in an agricultural
> situation are beyond the control of the experimenter, and yet an
> uncertainty level of only 5% is acceptable. Drawing conclusions
> having uncertainty level of 90% is rediculous. I was curious about the
> veracity of 90% uncertainty mentioned by you. But when I clicked on
> the source sited by you, I found that I could not access it.
> Yours
> A.D.Karve
>
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Cecil Cook <cec1863 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear stove scientists and climatologists,
> >
> >
> >
> > I accessed this article in its pre-publication form at no cost from the
> > following URL
> >
> >
> >
> > <ehs.sph.berkeley.edu/krsmith/publications/.../lam_est_2012.pd.>
> >
> >
> >
> > The article is hard going for me, let's say a bit opaque, as a person who
> > last studied physics in high school.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am once again reminded of the risks of doing 'hard' science where there
> > are so many unknowns and so many assumptions have to be made by
> researchers
> > to construct a model about the relationship between the black carbon
> emitted
> > by the wicks of illuminating lamps and something as gigantic as the
> average
> > temperature balance of the planet.
> >
> >
> >
> > Unlike the cultural and social sciences (I am an anthropologist), where
> > informants can and eventually do talk back and rebuke researchers when
> they
> > stray too far off course and begin making ridiculous claims about the
> > culturally and socially constructed worlds that particular informants are
> > reputed to inhabit, Black Carbon does not have its own consciousness and
> > voice. Therefore BC cannot censure errant climatologists when they
> deviate
> > too much from reality in their efforts - as researchers – to understand
> the
> > role of BC in the climate system .... so it is indeed possible for honest
> > researchers to fall victim to their own mad hatter assumptions about a
> > devilish complex planetary climate system.
> >
> >
> >
> > Unfortunately, the climate system does not have consciousness, agency and
> > voice in spite of what Kirkpatrick Sale says about Gaia. The climate
> > scientists presume to speaks for Gaia. When they succumbs to the
> temptation
> > of playing science politics with the world climate system they run the
> risk
> > of losing their way in the forest of their self created symbolic
> > representations of the how the planet's energy balances are maintained,
> and
> > how such a 'fragile' system is possibly threatened by the careless
> actions
> > of humans who create too much BC to light up the night.
> >
> >
> >
> > We know what a world of trouble Michael Mann, Lord Stern and their
> > colleagues have gotten themselves into by hyper-interpreting their
> climate
> > data. In the end their assumptions overpowered their common sense and
> their
> > data. They permitted climate politics to contaminate climate science.
> > Gratuitous and still unproved assumptions were inserted into climate
> science
> > about the causal mechanisms by which us ‘anthropods’ are destabilizing
> and
> > forcing the climate of the planet toward a hotter equilibrium. Hotter
> than
> > what? Hotter than the climate present we have known for the last hundred
> > years?
> >
> >
> >
> > I see there are 90% uncertainty ranges for all of the figures used in
> this
> > article. I do not feel very confident with such a big range of
> variation.
> > How would climatologists like it if I predicted that +/- 50% of a
> particular
> > stove using group – after demonstration of the superior performance of an
> > improved or advanced cookstove - can be expected to purchase such a stove
> > within the next 12 months with +/- 90% uncertainty. If there were 1
> million
> > households in this group, that statistic indicates that 500 000
> households
> > can be expected to buy the better stove on offer with a range of
> variation
> > around this figure of a (+) high of 950 000 households and a low (-) of a
> > low of 50 000 households.
> >
> >
> >
> > Maybe I have misunderstood what 90% uncertainty bounds mean. Have I? I
> do
> > not know the usefulness of numbers that vary from 50 000 households and
> 950
> > 000 households. That is not much of a prediction in my part of the
> > scientific enterprise. What is being measured? Whose uncertainty is at
> issue
> > here? Is it a measure of the ambiguity of the researcher or the methods
> > used for measuring BC and its forcing effects, or what?
> >
> >
> >
> > Lastly, I would like a climatologist who is well informed about the role
> of
> > BC to explain why there is not more BC over South Africa. Is it
> possible to
> > differentiate the signals of BC from illuminating kerosene from the BC
> > signals emitted from the much greater combustion of kerosene in 'Panda'
> > stoves and space heaters which have round wicks that are about 30 cm in
> > circumference and burn kerosene at a rate of 1 liter a day for cooking
> and
> > space heating during the cold months (or up to 30 liters a month at
> $1.20 a
> > day or $36 a month). The use of these Panda heaters, although outlawed
> by
> > the SA Bureau of Standards, is still prevalent because the stoves are so
> > cheap (under $10) and they can space heat and cook at the same time. The
> > collection of firewood has become a class indicator so women in most
> > townships do not like being seen carrying head loads of firewood.
> >
> >
> >
> > I would estimate there are 10 to 15 million kerosene stoves in the
> townships
> > and villages of SA each of which uses a minimum of 30 liters of kerosene
> a
> > month during the winter and perhaps 15 liters a month during the summer
> > months for cooking. Should not the burning of 30 litres a month X -
> let’s
> > be conservative here and say - 7 500 000 kerosene burning stoves in
> South
> > Africa (=) or some 225 000 000 litres a month of kerosene a month in
> South
> > Africa produce a significant Black Carbon signal in the atmosphere over
> our
> > fair country? I don’t see it on the map of BC forcing? Should it not be
> > there or are other household uses of kerosene being excluded from the
> map?
> >
> >
> >
> > This is not my field so I am ignorant enough not to be embarrassed by my
> > ignorance.
> >
> >
> >
> > In search of answers,
> >
> >
> >
> > Cecil Cook
> >
> > Sundance Farm
> >
> > South Africa
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Dean Still <deankstill at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Otto,
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I'll be in Cambodia.
> >>>
> >>> I think that informing users of kerosene lamps how they can get rid of
> >>> the soot could be helpful just as making other options available is a
> great
> >>> idea.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Dean
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Otto Formo <
> terra-matricula at hotmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear Dean and Crispin,
> >>>>
> >>>> But you need to buy Kerosene, which costs close to two US $ per litre
> in
> >>>> Zambia, and are still fossil fuel.
> >>>>
> >>>> We prefer waste biomass as fuel, for free and available everywhere.
> >>>>
> >>>> Will you be attending the conference in Cambodia?
> >>>>
> >>>> Otto
> >>>>
> >>>> ________________________________
> >>>> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:37:04 -0800om: deankstill at gmail.com
> >>>> To: stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1 Topic 2
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.aprovecho.org/lab/pubs/video-gallery
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Crispin,
> >>>>
> >>>> I agree that blaming kerosene instead of the lamp for making soot
> misses
> >>>> the opportunity to fix the problem not by switching fuels but by just
> fixing
> >>>> the lamp. Kelley Grabow and Ed Wilson did dome preliminary
> investigation
> >>>> shown in a video above that seemed to indicate that fixing the lamp
> might be
> >>>> pretty simple.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>>
> >>>> Dean
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Geoff Thomas <wind at iig.com.au>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Crispin that link required some un-related password to do with
> >>>> Microsoft.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > <
> https://mail.chemonics.net/exchange/emdelate/Drafts/RE:%20[Stoves]%20Gas%20Bottle%20TLUDs.EML/1_multipart/image001.jpg
> >
> >>>> No way it could be viewed.
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Geoff.
> >>>>
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> >>>> > 1. Re: Skoll article on HAP research (Crispin Pemberton-Pigott)
> >>>> > 2. Re: Gas Bottle TLUDs (Elisha Moore-Delate)
> >>>> > 3. Re: [biochar] Re: ~Stoves and STEM education~ (Erin Rasmussen)
> >>>> > 4. Re: Skoll article on HAP research (nari phaltan)
> >>>> > 5. Fwd: Re: [Sfpnotices] Green Energy Solves Dual Crises of
> >>>> > Poverty and Climate (Lloyd Helferty)
> >>>> >
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> >>>> > Message: 1
> >>>> > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:07:23 -0500
> >>>> > From: "Crispin Pemberton-Pigott" <crispinpigott at gmail.com>
> >>>> > To: "'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'"
> >>>> > <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> >>>> > Subject: Re: [Stoves] Skoll article on HAP research
> >>>> > Message-ID: <00ce01ce15ef$3a1b7c90$ae5275b0$@gmail.com>
> >>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Dear Christina
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Thanks for the pointer.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > For the benefit of readers I would like to raise one point about the
> >>>> > emissions and the fuel.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > ?Getting Good Data Could be Easy
> >>>> >
> >>>> > ?If solid fuel cook stoves and kerosene lanterns are used in the
> same
> >>>> > households, then getting the answers we need may be straightforward
> and low
> >>>> > cost. While in the field, mothers being surveyed about their use of
> solid
> >>>> > fuel cook stoves could also be asked a few questions about their
> use of
> >>>> > kerosene for lighting. Some additional field observations could be
> recorded.
> >>>> > Existing resources allocated to studies planned for cook stoves
> research
> >>>> > could be very easily leveraged to quickly and inexpensively begin
> to build a
> >>>> > body of knowledge about the effects of kerosene lighting.?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > The article also says that ?A recent Environmental Science and
> >>>> > Technology <mailto:http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es302697h>
> article
> >>>> > reports that as much as 10% of kerosene smoke is pure black carbon
> (soot) ?
> >>>> > 20 times higher than previous studies had found.?
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > The black carbon content of kerosene smoke is highly variable. It
> >>>> > depends on what lantern is used and the power setting. The article
> speaks as
> >>>> > if the emissions are created by the fuel and that worries me. This
> is an old
> >>>> > fashioned view. It is like saying that ?wood is a smoky fuel?. It
> depends on
> >>>> > the stove that is burning the wood, and how, doesn?t it? There is
> no doubt
> >>>> > that one lantern may create 20 times as much black carbon particles
> as
> >>>> > another lantern, but this tells us nothing about the fuel, it tells
> us about
> >>>> > the lanterns.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > One alternative to a smoky kerosene lantern is a clean burning
> >>>> > kerosene lantern.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Regards
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Crispin
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On
> >>>> > Behalf Of Christina Espinosa
> >>>> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:50 PM
> >>>> > To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> >>>> > Subject: [Stoves] Skoll article on HAP research
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Here is an article about stoves and kerosene you all might find of
> >>>> > interest:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> https://skollworldforum.org/2013/02/27/where-theres-smoke-theres-fire-a-call-to-action-for-better-indoor-air-pollution-research/
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> >>>> >
> >>>> > Message: 2
> >>>> > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:26:20 -0500
> >>>> > From: "Elisha Moore-Delate" <emdelate at chemonics.com>
> >>>> > To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves"
> >>>> > <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> >>>> > Subject: Re: [Stoves] Gas Bottle TLUDs
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> >>>> > Thanks Crispin. Appreciate the lovely photos and info.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > ________________________________
> >>>> >
> >>>> > From: Stoves on behalf of Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
> >>>> > Sent: Tue 2/26/2013 11:26 PM
> >>>> > To: 'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'
> >>>> > Subject: Re: [Stoves] Gas Bottle TLUDs
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Dear Elisha
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > What a great idea - so many harmonies. In Mozambique old gas
> bottles
> >>>> > are widely used as charcoal cooking pots, cut lengthwise from tip
> to bottom,
> >>>> > after the valve has been removed.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > They last a really long time.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Here are two types, one with the cylinder used vertically, one
> >>>> > horizontally.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > <
> https://mail.chemonics.net/exchange/emdelate/Drafts/RE:%20[Stoves]%20Gas%20Bottle%20TLUDs.EML/1_multipart/image001.jpg
> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Baseline charcoal stoves in Maputo, Mozambique
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Regards
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Crispin
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> >>>> > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 07:50:00 +0530
> >>>> > From: nari phaltan <nariphaltan at gmail.com>
> >>>> > To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
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> >>>> > This might be of interest to the stovers that kerosene can be made
> >>>> > into a
> >>>> > very clean burning fuel just like LPG.
> >>>> > http://www.cseindia.org/userfiles/Lantern%20that%20cooks.pdf
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Cheers.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Anil
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Christina Espinosa <
> >>>> > c_espinosa1 at u.pacific.edu> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> Here is an article about stoves and kerosene you all might find of
> >>>> >> interest:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> https://skollworldforum.org/2013/02/27/where-theres-smoke-theres-fire-a-call-to-action-for-better-indoor-air-pollution-research/
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> >>>> > -------- Original Message --------
> >>>> > Subject: Re: [Sfpnotices] Green Energy Solves Dual Crises of
> >>>> > Poverty
> >>>> > and Climate
> >>>> > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:23:44 -0500
> >>>> > From: Robert Korol
> >>>> > To: Sfp Notices-list" <sfpnotices at physics.utoronto.ca>
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Carla - thank goodness we are getting the power houses of our
> economic
> >>>> > engines like the*World Bank* on side with respect to green energy.
> >>>> > Maybe there is hope for the world after all!
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Bob
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:42:37 -0500
> >>>> > "Carla"<carla.wong at utoronto.ca> wrote:
> >>>> >> Source:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/02/green-energy-solves-dual-crises-of-poverty-and-climate/
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Green Energy Solves Dual Crises of Poverty and Climate
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> By Stephen Leahy
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> UXBRIDGE, Canada, Feb 25 2013 (IPS) - Green energy is the only way
> to
> >>>> >> bring
> >>>> >> billions of people out of energy poverty and prevent a climate
> >>>> >> disaster, a
> >>>> >> new study reveals.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Conservative institutions like the World Bank, the International
> >>>> >> Energy
> >>>> >> Agency and accounting giant Price Waterhouse Coopers (PwC) all warn
> >>>> >> humanity
> >>>> >> is on a path to climate catastrophe unless fossil fuel energy is
> >>>> >> replaced by
> >>>> >> green energy.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> The U.N.'s/*Sustainable Energy for All*/ initiative intends to
> bring
> >>>> >> universal
> >>>> >> access to modern energy, doubling the share of renewable energy
> >>>> >> globally,
> >>>> >> and doubling the rate of improvement in energy efficiency by 2030.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Poverty eradication, sustainable development and the transition
> away
> >>>> >> from
> >>>> >> fossil fuel energy go hand in hand.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> If those targets are met and similar efforts undertaken to*reduce
> >>>> >> deforestation*, then climate disaster can be avoided, said Joeri
> >>>> >> Rogelj of
> >>>> >> the<http://www.iac.ethz.ch/> Institute for Atmospheric and
> Climate
> >>>> >> Science
> >>>> >> in Zurich who headed the analysis published Sunday in the journal
> >>>> >> <http://www.nature.com/nclimate/index.html> Nature Climate
> Change.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> "Poverty eradication, sustainable development and the transition
> away
> >>>> >> from
> >>>> >> fossil fuel energy go hand in hand," Rogelj told IPS.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> The U.N.<http://www.sustainableenergyforall.org/> Sustainable
> Energy
> >>>> >> for
> >>>> >> All (SE4All) initiative is ambitious, but brings a wide range of
> >>>> >> benefits
> >>>> >> including improvements in health, less air pollution and makes the
> >>>> >> all-important break from increasing fossil fuel energy use. The
> >>>> >> analysis
> >>>> >> shows the costs of SE4All is far less than the public subsidies the
> >>>> >> fossil
> >>>> >> fuel industry currently receives, he said.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Nearly three billion people still use fire for cooking and heating.
> >>>> >> Of
> >>>> >> those, some 1.5 billion people have no access to electricity. For a
> >>>> >> billion
> >>>> >> more, their only access is to sporadic and unreliable electricity
> >>>> >> networks.
> >>>> >> Indoor air pollution from burning dung, charcoal, and wood for
> >>>> >> heating and
> >>>> >> cooking leads to nearly two million premature deaths of women and
> >>>> >> children
> >>>> >> every year, more than all the deaths from malaria and tuberculosis.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Dirty fossil fuel energy is also a major health hazard in
> industrial
> >>>> >> countries, responsible for 50,000 to 100,000 premature deaths and
> 400
> >>>> >> billion dollars in health costs a year in the U.S. alone, said Mark
> >>>> >> Jacobson
> >>>> >> an energy expert at Stanford University in California.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> "In the European Union, it is 350,000 premature deaths a year,"
> >>>> >> Jacobson
> >>>> >> told IPS.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> SE4All was first announced in 2009. "Energy interacts with all of
> the
> >>>> >> development challenges we face," Kandeh Yumkella, director-general
> of
> >>>> >> the
> >>>> >> United Nations Industrial Development Organisation
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> <
> http://www.ipsnews.net/2009/06/development-green-energy-for-all-by-2030/>
> >>>> >> told IPS at the launch.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Energy experts calculate that decentralised, off-grid technologies
> >>>> >> like
> >>>> >> wind, solar, geothermal and micro-hydro energy generation are the
> >>>> >> fastest
> >>>> >> and most cost effective solutions. Extending current electrical
> grids
> >>>> >> only
> >>>> >> makes economic sense to meet 15-20 percent of the need due to the
> >>>> >> high
> >>>> >> costs.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> SE4All is well under way now, with more than 50 developing
> countries
> >>>> >> working
> >>>> >> on national plans to achieve the three goals of universal access,
> >>>> >> increasing
> >>>> >> renewable energy, and doubling the rate of improvement in energy
> >>>> >> efficiency.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Since 80 percent of human carbon dioxide emissions come from the
> >>>> >> global
> >>>> >> energy system, Rogelj and colleagues at the International Institute
> >>>> >> for
> >>>> >> Applied Systems Analysis in Laxenberg, Austria wanted to quantify
> the
> >>>> >> impact
> >>>> >> on the global climate.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> "Achieving the three SE4ALL objectives could put the world on a
> path
> >>>> >> towards
> >>>> >> global climate protection," they
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> <
> http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1806.html
> >>>> >>> conclude in their paper "The UN's 'Sustainable Energy for All'
> >>>> >>> initiative
> >>>> >> is compatible with a warming limit of 2 ?C".
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> "Doing energy right will promote the Millennium Development Goals,
> >>>> >> such as
> >>>> >> poverty eradication and social empowerment, and at the same time
> >>>> >> kick-start
> >>>> >> the transition to a lower-carbon economy," says IIASA researcher
> >>>> >> David
> >>>> >> McCollum, who also worked on the study.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> "But the U.N.'s objectives must be complemented by a global
> agreement
> >>>> >> on
> >>>> >> controlling greenhouse gas emissions."
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Even if the targets are achieved, explosive economic growth coupled
> >>>> >> with
> >>>> >> greater energy use will overwhelm the climate protection benefits
> of
> >>>> >> SE4All.
> >>>> >> "There is an explicit need for a global cap on emissions," said
> >>>> >> Rogelj .
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Global carbon emissions were about 52 gigatonnes (billion metric
> >>>> >> tonnes) in
> >>>> >> 2012 and that means fossil fuel energy use must decline so
> emissions
> >>>> >> are
> >>>> >> about 41-47 Gt by 2020 to have a reasonable chance of keeping
> global
> >>>> >> warming
> >>>> >> below two degrees C.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> The shift to green energy is under way. Every new megawatt added to
> >>>> >> the U.S.
> >>>> >> electricity supply in January came from renewables, and more than
> >>>> >> half of
> >>>> >> all new electricity generation in 2012 was also from renewables,
> not
> >>>> >> gas as
> >>>> >> often believed.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Iceland has 81 percent renewable energy. Scotland has a mandate to
> >>>> >> achieve
> >>>> >> 100 percent renewable power supply by 2020. Denmark passed laws
> >>>> >> requiring
> >>>> >> that the whole energy supply - electricity, heating/cooling, and
> >>>> >> transportation - be met by renewable resources.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Stanford's Jackobson, among others, have proposed detailed plans on
> >>>> >> how to
> >>>> >> meet 100 percent of the world's energy needs with green energy.
> >>>> >> Jacobson
> >>>> >> believes it could be done as soon as 2030.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Costs for the SE4All plan are relatively modest at between 30 and
> 40
> >>>> >> billion
> >>>> >> dollars a year, a fraction of the 523 billion dollars in subsides
> for
> >>>> >> dirty
> >>>> >> energy in 2011, according to the International Energy Agency. By
> >>>> >> 2030, 300
> >>>> >> billion dollars a year will be needed to bring electricity into
> every
> >>>> >> home
> >>>> >> on the planet and prevent catastrophic climate change.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Fossil fuel emission reductions will have to continue after 2030
> and
> >>>> >> eventually decline to near zero in order to stay below two degrees
> C,
> >>>> >> said
> >>>> >> Rogelj.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> - See more at:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/02/green-energy-solves-dual-crises-of-poverty-and-climate/#sthash.bCVEtR8U.dpuf
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >
> >>>> > - - - - - - -
> >>>> > Robert Korol
> >>>> > Professor emeritus, Civil Engineering
> >>>> > McMaster University
> >>>> >
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