[Stoves] In praise of kerosene

Crispin Pemberton-Pigott crispinpigott at gmail.com
Thu May 16 18:23:56 CDT 2013


Dear Andrew C P

I agree with you completely. There is plenty of room for civil discourse on
complex topics that will take decades to understand.

I have not considered the idea of conceit before, I viewed the attitude as
arrogant self-righteousness because of the way people who dared question the
priestcraft were labelled sinners, lost souls (etc).

I am now a dyed-in-the-wool sceptic. When someone says they have a stove
that performs like thus-and-such I immediately ask to see the protocol, the
instrument list and the spreadsheet. What is happening with the Donors is
they are starting to ask a lot more questions related to due diligence
because a lot of money has been changing hands on pretty flimsy evidence
much of which evaporates on contact.

Sound familiar?

Regards
Crispin


-----Original Message-----
From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of
Andrew C. Parker
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 6:25 AM
To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
Subject: Re: [Stoves] In praise of kerosene

Ron,

The term "denier" assumes existent truth or reality.  While you obviously
feel strongly that there is a preponderance of evidence and a consensus of
opinion in your argument, neither the evidence nor the opinion warrant
labeling those who disagree with you as deniers.  It is the height of
conceit to do so.

Invoking the term "denier" in a post-WWII context also carries a highly
pejorative connotation, equating one as capable of denying the Holocaust,
and in its more recent use, as being somehow mentally and/or morally
deranged.  Using this term is insulting and has no place in a scientific
discussion, or even a scientific argument.  It certainly has not place being
used on this list.

I am not a denier of truth.  I am a skeptic, but I am not a climate skeptic.
The climate exists, it would be ludicrous for me to be skeptical of the
climate.  I am not skeptical of climate change.  The climate changes all the
time.  I am not skeptical of global warming.  The earth has been generally
warming since the end of the Little Ice Age.  I am not skeptical that we
humans impact the climate.  The earth has been profoundly changed by the
smallest of organisms.  I am skeptical about models that predict a
catastrophic future because of burning fossil fuels.  So, I don't mind if
you call me a CAGW skeptic, but I will not accept you calling me, or anyone
else who disagrees with you, a denier.


Andrew Parker

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