[Stoves] In praise of kerosene

[Paul Olivier]

The editorial board of the New York Times understands the problem quite
well:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/19/opinion/sunday/climate-warnings-growing-louder.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130519
What is our response?
Replacing bottled gas with syngas and enriching agricultural lands with
biochar would be two very good places to start.

Thanks.
Paul Olivier


On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
crispinpigott at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Andrew C P
>
> I agree with you completely. There is plenty of room for civil discourse on
> complex topics that will take decades to understand.
>
> I have not considered the idea of conceit before, I viewed the attitude as
> arrogant self-righteousness because of the way people who dared question
> the
> priestcraft were labelled sinners, lost souls (etc).
>
> I am now a dyed-in-the-wool sceptic. When someone says they have a stove
> that performs like thus-and-such I immediately ask to see the protocol, the
> instrument list and the spreadsheet. What is happening with the Donors is
> they are starting to ask a lot more questions related to due diligence
> because a lot of money has been changing hands on pretty flimsy evidence
> much of which evaporates on contact.
>
> Sound familiar?
>
> Regards
> Crispin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of
> Andrew C. Parker
> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 6:25 AM
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] In praise of kerosene
>
> Ron,
>
> The term "denier" assumes existent truth or reality.  While you obviously
> feel strongly that there is a preponderance of evidence and a consensus of
> opinion in your argument, neither the evidence nor the opinion warrant
> labeling those who disagree with you as deniers.  It is the height of
> conceit to do so.
>
> Invoking the term "denier" in a post-WWII context also carries a highly
> pejorative connotation, equating one as capable of denying the Holocaust,
> and in its more recent use, as being somehow mentally and/or morally
> deranged.  Using this term is insulting and has no place in a scientific
> discussion, or even a scientific argument.  It certainly has not place
> being
> used on this list.
>
> I am not a denier of truth.  I am a skeptic, but I am not a climate
> skeptic.
> The climate exists, it would be ludicrous for me to be skeptical of the
> climate.  I am not skeptical of climate change.  The climate changes all
> the
> time.  I am not skeptical of global warming.  The earth has been generally
> warming since the end of the Little Ice Age.  I am not skeptical that we
> humans impact the climate.  The earth has been profoundly changed by the
> smallest of organisms.  I am skeptical about models that predict a
> catastrophic future because of burning fossil fuels.  So, I don't mind if
> you call me a CAGW skeptic, but I will not accept you calling me, or anyone
> else who disagrees with you, a denier.
>
>
> Andrew Parker
>
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