[Stoves] In praise of kerosene

[Otto Formo]

Paul,
I very much second your point of view and lets bring this topic to a higher level and very much considering the small holder peasant in the developing countries.
They have a much greater chance or possibility to avoid the problems produced by the western societies for decades.
 
Its time to look forward and go ahead.......................
 
Thanks.
 
Otto
 
Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 15:50:34 +0700
From: paul.olivier at esrla.com
To: stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
Subject: Re: [Stoves] In praise of kerosene

The editorial board of the New York Times understands the problem quite well:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/19/opinion/sunday/climate-warnings-growing-louder.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130519

What is our response?
Replacing bottled gas with syngas and enriching agricultural lands with biochar would be two very good places to start.

Thanks.
Paul Olivier



On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <crispinpigott at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Andrew C P



I agree with you completely. There is plenty of room for civil discourse on

complex topics that will take decades to understand.



I have not considered the idea of conceit before, I viewed the attitude as

arrogant self-righteousness because of the way people who dared question the

priestcraft were labelled sinners, lost souls (etc).



I am now a dyed-in-the-wool sceptic. When someone says they have a stove

that performs like thus-and-such I immediately ask to see the protocol, the

instrument list and the spreadsheet. What is happening with the Donors is

they are starting to ask a lot more questions related to due diligence

because a lot of money has been changing hands on pretty flimsy evidence

much of which evaporates on contact.



Sound familiar?



Regards

Crispin





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Andrew C. Parker

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Subject: Re: [Stoves] In praise of kerosene



Ron,



The term "denier" assumes existent truth or reality.  While you obviously

feel strongly that there is a preponderance of evidence and a consensus of

opinion in your argument, neither the evidence nor the opinion warrant

labeling those who disagree with you as deniers.  It is the height of

conceit to do so.



Invoking the term "denier" in a post-WWII context also carries a highly

pejorative connotation, equating one as capable of denying the Holocaust,

and in its more recent use, as being somehow mentally and/or morally

deranged.  Using this term is insulting and has no place in a scientific

discussion, or even a scientific argument.  It certainly has not place being

used on this list.



I am not a denier of truth.  I am a skeptic, but I am not a climate skeptic.

The climate exists, it would be ludicrous for me to be skeptical of the

climate.  I am not skeptical of climate change.  The climate changes all the

time.  I am not skeptical of global warming.  The earth has been generally

warming since the end of the Little Ice Age.  I am not skeptical that we

humans impact the climate.  The earth has been profoundly changed by the

smallest of organisms.  I am skeptical about models that predict a

catastrophic future because of burning fossil fuels.  So, I don't mind if

you call me a CAGW skeptic, but I will not accept you calling me, or anyone

else who disagrees with you, a denier.





Andrew Parker



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