[Stoves] Gasifier info wanted for the update of the GIZ HERA micro-gasification manual Re: Realities about innovative stove work

[CHRISTA ROTH]

Dear Paul, you address very valid points re information need on innovative gasifier work. theGIZ HERA manual on micro-gasificationfor cooking was conceptualized as a tool to assist with that. some weeks back I asked for information to update the manual and I have had ZERO responses. 
So I have decided to postpone the long-overdue update once again until after the Aprovecho Stove camp in July, where you (as in the broader sense of the group of participants) will hopefully create some up-to-date data and information that then can be used as input for the manual. 

My pledge to the list-members: please forward any relevant info on micro-gasification models (not only TLUDs) that have been updated or created in the meantime by mid July 2013, so that we can get things ready to release an update of the Manual 'micro-gasification: cooking with gas from dry biomass' by the End of August 2013. 

Thanks for you contributions
regards Christa

Am 26.05.2013 um 12:23 schrieb Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu>:

> Dear Otto,
> 
> I agree with you  
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>> that gasifing of biomass are here to [STAY] and will develop more rapidly than anyone ever belived.
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> But please realize that......
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> 1.  The VAST MAJORITY of even the Stovers on this listserv (who actively develop stoves)  and especially the Implementers of stove projects (who directly purchase or indirectly support the makers of stoves) have limited knowledge about and probably no experience with gasifier stoves               (and some of that knowledge is incorrect or out of date, and some experiences were with very early prototypes).       To change that is very difficult.   (But a big "Thank you" to those who are working on biomass gasifier stoves.)
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> 2.  Tradition and inertia are powerful forces for both those who should be knowledgeable (mentioned above) and for the ultimate stove users in the low-income communities and rural areas.      This is the reality of our world.
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> 3.  In spite of all the talk about the value and importance of innovation and new technology, the entire world still uses what has been around for a while and has been accepted.  And the money for stove work is quite traditional and does not flow to the new and innovative.   Those of us who are old enough even remember the YEARS and YEARS it took to introduce even what is today considered standard:  micro-computers in the 1970's/80; and mobile/cell phones;  and the Internet.    And those three were stimulated by BIG money and were initially sold to people in wealthy cultures with fantastic profits that drove stockmarket success stories.   NEITHER the big money nor the market to wealthy people nor great profits are present to move rapidly forward the innovations such as gasifier stoves in the cookstove efforts.
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> 4.  And of course we have to face the political chains that bind even some of those with the best of intentions.   I refer to the GACC policy of being "technology neutral".   Neutrality favors the established and large and powerful.   I have confidence that eventually the GACC and a wide spectrum of stove producers and project implementers will turn their attention to the micro-gasifier stoves.   After all, to be "technology neutral" should not lead to implementations that are "technology blind" or "technology stupid."
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> So, Otto and a few others, take comfort that you are in the vangard, at the frontiers, leading what will inevitable follow, that is, the eventual awakening about biomass gasifier stoves.   To us who are believers and have solid experience, this is painfully slow.   But the floodgates for these stoves will eventually open.
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> And why not put everything on the Listserv?   Some things take a bit of time to get ready.   Progress will be announced, but most readers want results, not discussion.   Those willing to discuss AND PARTICIPATE in the new developments usually function best (IMO) in focused groups.   (and this Stoves Listserv is not focused for solving tasks.)   So, capable people need to step forward and get involved in the tasks.
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> Paul
> 
> Paul S. Anderson, PhD  aka "Dr TLUD"
> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu   Skype: paultlud  Phone: +1-309-452-7072
> Website:  www.drtlud.com

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