[Stoves] [Ethos] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized stove efforts
Cookswell Jikos
cookswelljikos at gmail.com
Mon Jan 13 02:39:36 CST 2014
Dear Ronal -
Thank you very much for your kind words.
I am very concerned about the woodfuel supply chain, after all, if I make
improved efficient stoves that make its easier and cheaper for people to
burn tree's with, it is a wise investment for me to do all I can to help my
customers grow more trees.
I hope we can encourage more players in the cookstove industry to join us
in advocating, promoting and being involved in sustainable woodfuel
focused forestry projects.
We actually had made a few prototypes of char producing and char using
stoves a few years ago but discontinued due to low market demand.
Teddy
*Cookswell Jikos*
www.cookswell.co.ke
www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos
www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com
Mobile: +254 700 380 009
Mobile: +254 700 905 913
P.O. Box 1433, Nairobi 00606, Kenya
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 10:46 PM, Ronal W. Larson <rongretlarson at comcast.net
> wrote:
> Teddy et al:
>
> I have just visited your web site and was very impressed. You
> obviously have a big concern about charcoal being produced badly - so thank
> for that. I like your comments on where/how to manufacture stoves.
>
> You also look like a great company to manufacture char-making stoves.
> Is that possibly on the horizon for cookswelljikos?
>
> Ron
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Cookswell Jikos <cookswelljikos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Richard, Salaams,
>
> I did meet Charles briefly once, but that was many years ago - I do try to
> stay in touch as much as my work schedule allows with as many other stovies
> in Kenya as I can but we are all a busy lot and dont get to see each other
> enough.
>
> In regards to your email above, I have found that at the end of the day,
> whether or not the the stove was made in either of the manufacturing
> systems discussed, it remains one of the last things on a long list of
> reasons why my customers part with their hard earned money to buy a
> Cookswell stove.
> Cheers,
>
> Teddy
>
>
>
> *Cookswell Jikos*
> www.cookswell.co.ke
> www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos
> www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com
> Mobile: +254 700 380 009
> Mobile: +254 700 905 913
> P.O. Box 1433, Nairobi 00606, Kenya
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Richard Stanley <rstanley at legacyfound.org
> > wrote:
>
>> Habari gani, Teddy,
>> Did you ever hear of Charles Onyando over in Kangemi? He passed away a
>> few years ago but was very active with stoves himself and he worked with
>> your father for a while in testing and design.
>> Richard Stanley
>> www.legacyfound.org
>> Indani ya nchi ya US, kwa sasa
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:27 AM, Cookswell Jikos wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> This is a very interesting discussion that I have been happily following
>> during my travels this last week. I find that discussions like these help
>> to define the complexities of the biomass cookstove sector. I often wonder
>> what other non-electric domestic cooking appliances attract such passionate
>> players and great thinkers in their respective product lines.
>>
>> I personally have been lucky enough to have been somewhat involved in
>> both ends of this question of centralized and decentralized manufacture of
>> cookstoves - my late dad, Dr. Max Kinyanjui, would tell me of how once he
>> almost quite the KCJ (Kenya Ceramic Jiko) project when centralized
>> production was initially suggested, and thankfully he did not. Today I am
>> currently looking into designing flat pack systems for KCJ's and other
>> associated sheet metal cut outs ( charcoal making drum kilns, charcoal
>> baking ovens etc.) that can be locally assembled by networks of existing
>> manufactures; this is mainly to reduce raw material transport and waste
>> issues, increase standardization levels, increase customer/stove maker
>> interactions and to reduce end user costs.
>>
>> I feel that one major design achievement to enhance stove dissemination
>> (but is perhaps a bit bad business) is to create something that is so
>> useful and easy to use, understand and make money off of, to huge range of
>> potential customers that replication, sometimes for the better, many times
>> for the worse, snowballs the technology into the kitchens of the ones
>> needing it most.
>>
>> To the Cookswell/Kinyanjui family, seeing our inventions and designs
>> being copied and sold in many countries by many levels of manufacturers is
>> one of the most satisfactory feelings of being good stove makers. We also
>> very much hope that more people will also begin to take the time to
>> appreciate the value of conducting a holistic manufacturing process that
>> gives due consideration to the life cycle analysis of the product(s) in
>> question.
>>
>> And as we continue exploring not only the stove, but the entire
>> ''seed-to-ash'' cycle of household biomass energy, I would just like to
>> send a vote of thanks to all those who actively contribute and manage this
>> list serve, it is very good stove reading.
>>
>> Happy new years and all the best to all,
>>
>> Teddy Kinyanjui
>>
>> Sustainability Director
>>
>> *Cookswell Jikos*
>> www.cookswell.co.ke
>> www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos
>> www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com
>> Mobile: +254 700 380 009
>> Mobile: +254 700 905 913
>> P.O. Box 1433, Nairobi 00606, Kenya
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Ranyee Chiang <
>> rchiang at cleancookstoves.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting topics for further discussion at ETHOS. A good way to frame
>>> this discussion may be to think about ways that the different types of
>>> efforts can be integrated together, or how they can learn from each other.
>>> Certainly from the Global Alliance's point of view, both types of efforts
>>> are important and require different types of tailored support. It would be
>>> useful to hear some discussion about the specifics of the tailored support
>>> that is needed in each case. And overall, I think that a discussion
>>> focused "and" not "versus" would be quite interesting.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ranyee
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: ethos-bounces at vrac.iastate.edu <ethos-bounces at vrac.iastate.edu>
>>> on behalf of Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 3:33 PM
>>> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; ETHOS - Listserve
>>> Subject: Re: [Ethos] [Stoves] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized stove
>>> efforts
>>>
>>> Ben,
>>>
>>> Please provide more info about that suggestion/recommendation. When was
>>> it, and to whom? Any viable contacts that could be reached for further
>>> clarification?
>>>
>>> In general, the decentralized elements are not "organized" and have far
>>> fewer funds. Much of it is lobbying and money to get decisions that
>>> favor those who can lobby and have the money already. Because that is
>>> not likely to change, what strategies are possible for decentralized
>>> efforts even in relatively small geographic areas?
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>>> Email: psanders at ilstu.edu
>>> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>>> Website: www.drtlud.com
>>>
>>> On 12/31/2013 8:51 PM, Ben Blevins wrote:
>>> > Deloitte contractors suggested decentralized for various reasons,
>>> there consulting was rejected because the finding did not reinforce the
>>> message of mass production and distribution by development industry players.
>>> >
>>> > B
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Dec 31, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Dear Paal, and all,
>>> >>
>>> >> As much as I can agree with Paal's statements, but I think the cards
>>> are stacked against the success of decentralized efforts.
>>> >>
>>> >> The issue that Paal raises about the need to have decentralized
>>> production of stoves (and fuels) is a touchy topic because the "model" of
>>> the affluent world is for centralized industrial production. That
>>> centralized model is certainly a cornerstone of the GACC and WB and many
>>> who feel that the model of the affluent world will work to resolve major
>>> issues in the developing world. And they control access to most of the
>>> funding. And they present very convincing arguments. (If they could
>>> not, they would not be in control of the situation.)
>>> >>
>>> >> It would be good to have some examples of decentralized efforts
>>> having major impacts. Maybe the spread of the Kenyan ceramic jiko (KCJ)
>>> is one example.
>>> >>
>>> >> I will be at ETHOS and willing for such discussions if others step
>>> forward wanting to discuss this informally as an ad hoc sub-group.
>>> >>
>>> >> Paul
>>> >>
>>> >> Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>>> >> Email: psanders at ilstu.edu
>>> >> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>>> >> Website: www.drtlud.com
>>> >>
>>> >> On 12/31/2013 10:15 AM, paaw at online.no wrote:
>>> >>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:12:54 -0700,
>>> >>> stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Due to health and age it will not be possible for me to
>>> participate, but after 30 years working with task and followed the
>>> discussion at Stove list I have come to this conclusion.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> There has to be a discussion at ETHOS about centralized or
>>> decentralized activities regarding fuel and stove production with a view on
>>> the enormous unemployment in developing countries. Taken into consideration
>>> the high demands of clean combustion, pellets will be the future biomass
>>> fuel for simple clean burning such as TLUD ND and FD. Energy forestry and
>>> agriculture energy production together collection of waste biomass of
>>> different types will give a lot of new needed jobs.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> · Registration of local waste combustible biomass.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> · Use of local resources
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> · Biochar production by cooking.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> That will be the best way for GACC Stove program to support the low
>>> income groups all around the worl
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Best regards Paal Wendelbo paaw at online.no
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