[Stoves] [biochar-policy] World Population and Daily Income

[JJ Claire]

Kevin,Tom, Ronal and all,
I live part of the year on a small island in The Philippine Islands.  On that island, about half of the people eat and live hand to mouth.  Many do not know what they will be eating tomorrow.  A great many live in nipa huts and on land that is squatted.  I dare not let my chickens run around or they will not come back at dusk.  I have found that even for low paying jobs, there are many willing to work just for something to put with their rice.  I am retired military, retired VA, retired on SS and my wife also gets SS, so we do very well on that island.  We have many come to us for help and many loans will never be repaid.  We have learned to try to help in a small way and keep on moving.  My wife and I are both medical missionaries.  We just returned from the mission field and we plan to return in early January.  On our island, a few dollars a day is one heck of a wage.  We hire people and at noon they are already asking for their pay
 so their wives can go to the market and get ulum, or something to go with their rice.   Many workers try to stretch the days of work out as long as possible.  Work is slow, and many try to work with hand tools and avoid power tools as they need the days work and power tools are counter productive.
JJ++ 


On Friday, July 11, 2014 3:11 PM, Kevin <kchisholm at ca.inter.net> wrote:
  


Dear Ron 
  
While the Video was politically slanted to 
influence Immigration Policy within the USA, the facts of the matter are that 
there are a lot of poor people in the world, who are struggling to keep 
alive.  
  
My posting is not about the Tea Party, Racism, 
Propaganda, Politics, or Roy Beck. My posting was about the facts that he 
presents in a dramatic and understandable manner. I feel that these cruel and 
sad facts are very important, and that their consequences can be of great 
importance to the nature and extent of increased use of biochar, and improved 
stoves, in the "Bottom of the Pyramid Market." 
  
Biochar will rise or fall on its own merits. 
Nothing bad I can say against Biochar will retard its general acceptance, if its 
fundamentals are good. Your Ad Hominum attacks are futile. They won't sell 
a pound of biochar. If you actually want to expand the use of biochar into the 
"Bottom of the Pyramid Market", all you have to do is address the issues I 
raised below in my first point: 
1: ===> What can biochar do for these people, and what would it 
have to cost, to be affordable to them? 

Would you not agree that addressing the above 
issues is a good place to start? 

Best wishes, 

Kevin 
  
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>----- Original Message -----  
>From: Ronal W. Larson  
>To: Biochar-Policy ; Kevin  Chisholm  
>Cc: Discussion of biomass  
>Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:27 
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>Subject: Re: [biochar-policy] World  Population and Daily Income 
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>Kevin  cc List 
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>I am not going  to respond.  There is close to zero connection between US immigration  policy and your questions.  I take your questions to be an excuse to  bring in a non-germane video by a master propaganda artist. 
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>I googled for  Roy Beck and didn’t like what I saw.  Others should look at what is said  by an organization I admire (http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2009/spring/lie-down-with-dogs)     
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>Beck is listed as a mentor for my former Congressman,  Tom Tancredo  - who is as racist as they come (just came in second in the Colorado  Republican Gubernatorial race).  I can’t believe that Beck has any  interest in increasing US Foreign Aid for topics like biochar and char-making  stoves.   The American people (even R’s) are overwhelmingly for the  immigration reform bill already passed by the US Senate.  It is held up  by the Teaparty R’s - for what seems to me to be rcist reasons.  Why US  immigration policy is important to you, a Canadian, is unclear.  I am not  for increasing immigration;  I am for passing this reform legislation -  opposed by Tancredo, the Tea Party and Beck 
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> In any  case, this list broke off from the stoves list - which is where your second  question belongs, as I’m sure you know. 
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>There is  plenty on this list archives to answer your first question.  You have  continually knocked everything possible about biochar - and this seems in the  same vein, although veiled. 
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>Ron 
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>On Jul 11, 2014, at 12:38 AM, 'Kevin' kchisholm at ca.inter.net [biochar-policy] <biochar-policy at yahoogroups.com>  wrote:
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>>This video Clip 
>>http://www.youtube.com/embed/LPjzfGChGlE 
>>is about US Immigration Policy. 
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>>World population is about 7.2 billion people ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population ) 
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>>The Video Clip states that about 3 billion people earn an  average of LESS than $2 per day. Expressed in different terms, 41.6% of the  World Population earns less than $2 per day. 
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>>This brings up 2 interesting questions: 
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>>1: ===> What can biochar do for these people, and what would  it have to cost, to be affordable to them? 
>>2: ===> What kind of stoves do these people really  need, and how much must they be delivered for, in order for them to be a  sensible investment? 
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>>Kevin 
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