[Stoves] Standards for stoves - discussion Re: The Clean Stove Initiative (CSI) Forum

[Paul Anderson]

Dear Stovers,

Strike it rich!!!!    I went to the CSI website (link is in the message 
below) and went browsing.   I stumbled upon this document:

https://collaboration.worldbank.org/docs/DOC-10999      that is entitled:

2014-10-15 Seminar Video Recording: RBF Pilots on Promoting Clean Stoves 
in China and Indonesia

On October 15 this year, while the working groups on standards were 
meeting in Guatemala, a Power Point presentation was recorded by CSI and 
it is now available to be seen.   Length is almost 1 hr 12 minutes.   
Not all is great listening.   But much is quite informative.

OF SPECIAL NOTE is the discussion starting at 56:21 about how stoves are 
being evaluated in Indonesia.   We knew about these standards months ago 
when Indonesia requested applicant stoves for evaluation for inclusion 
in the national pilot program.   But in this document it became clearer 
to me.  See the presentation, but here are some highlights:

1.  At 58:00 minutes:   See photos of 15 of the 22 entries (17 accepted 
for testing).   Many are easily recognized.   Seems like 3 or 4 have 
fans;  one has a chimney, TLUDs and rocket stoves are included.

2.  The timetable of the Indonesia program calls for the next round of 
results (finalists?) to be announced in November.   If they are on 
schedule, we hope to hear the results publicly by mid-December.   I hope 
somebody reports it to the Stoves Listserv.

3.  The testing criteria have ratings of 1, 2, and 3 Stars.

Well worth the time to view this documentation.

4.  The speaker also mentions that this evaluation system was being 
considered (probably not seen for the first time) by the Working Group 
on Stove Standards in Guatemala.   No wonder there is discussion about 
Tiers and WBT, because there is at least one set of alternative 
measurements / methods.

Clearly none of this is confidential information exclusive to the 
working group members.   It is all out in front of us on the Internet, 
if we just find it and call it to the attention of those who read our 
Stoves Listserv.

I also know from the Biochar Listserv that the Indonesia system has a 
very controversial element concerning "fuel efficiency" vs "energy 
efficiency".   Specifically, the char-making stoves (mainly TLUDs) are 
given zero credit for the energy value (or other value as a different 
fuel) of any resultant charcoal produced.   The wood is no longer wood 
if it has become charcoal, so fuel-wood efficiency is going to be 
lowered even if the net-energy-used efficiency is more favorable.   To 
me, that remains an item for discussion, but charcoal production will 
hurt the TLUD stoves in the context of the Indonesian testing.

Note:   With transparency and fair play for all, I will point out the 
the WB CSI (like the GACC) has not done, in my opinion, a very good job 
of utilizing the Stoves Listserv as a means of informing these "Stovers" 
about its efforts.  Sure the websites are there, but please help us out 
a bit to better appreciate your content.

And Stovers, when you find interesting sites and specifics, please 
inform us all.  I have hardly scratched the surface of what is on these 
well-made and informative websites.

If anyone has knowledge of other "stove testing standards" that should 
be considered, please mention them to the Listserv.

Paul

Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  www.drtlud.com

On 11/13/2014 6:29 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:
>
> Dear Stovers
>
> If you haven't done so already, I recommend checking out a useful 
> resource on sustainable stoves: 
> https://collaboration.worldbank.org/groups/clean-cooking-and-heating-solutions. 
> This is a website run by the World Bank Group Clean Stove Initiative 
> aiming to provide both knowledge products and a discussion forum for 
> working professionals in this field, in two languages.
>
> You can access categories of information on clean cooking and heating 
> solutions (click here 
> <https://collaboration.worldbank.org/groups/clean-cooking-and-heating-solutions/projects/knowledge-hub/content>) 
> or join ongoing discussions on various aspects of the issue (click 
> here 
> <https://collaboration.worldbank.org/groups/clean-cooking-and-heating-solutions/projects/discussion-forum> 
> for English and here 
> <https://collaboration.worldbank.org/groups/clean-cooking-and-heating-solutions/projects/iniciativa-de-estufas-limpias-en-centroam%C3%A9rica?invite=false> 
> for Spanish).
>
> To learn more about the initiative please contact Ms. Xuege Lu 
> <mailto:xlu1 at worldbank.org> at for details.
>
> Thanks for your interest!
>
> Crispin
>
>
>
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