[Stoves] Project Lake Atitlan

Tue Dec 1 17:56:13 CST 2015

Dear Art,

I can clear up some of the confusion.

1.  Counting preparations, 5 weeks trip to Africa, and 2 weeks back, I 
have been only peripherally active with some messages.   That partly 
explains.

2.  Derick and I and a few were in very preliminary chats about some 
biochar topic in Guatemala.   But there were elections going on, etc.   
And the new government is not in power until mid January. And Derick and 
I were not pushing.

3.  I must admit that I do not understand the Wiggio process.   I 
thought that the biochar-stoves group was a new listserv.   And I have 
received very few messages.   But it seems that the Wiggio process is to 
set up some specialty discussions on topics of interest.   I have not 
looked at any such messages, so I have not responded.   I am not wanting 
to be subscribed to additional lists or groups that require me to go to 
some site (other than my main email account) to see the messages.   So I 
have not participated. And I do not wish to participate at that level.   
I have as much as I can handle with the Stoves and Biochar and 
Gasification Listservs, where I certainly am active.   I do not even 
allow discussions via my    drtlud.com   website; people with comments 
for Dr TLUD either write to those listservs or directly to me.

4.  My latest count of ongoing projects of gasifier stoves and/or 
biochar in which I am directly active is eleven, in eleven countries.   
One of those is Guatemala with Derick.   I will discuss those projects 
with others via the listservs or as separate messages.

5.  My interest in biochar are about production and about use in growing 
plants.   I am not involved with environmental remediations (such as 
what is needed at Lago Amatitlan).   There are fashionable houses around 
that lake, and those residents are not likely candidates for TLUD 
cookstoves.   That is a realization today.   I will consider something 
at Lake Atitlan where there are rural villages.   Or closer to Derick's 
residence and bamboo farm/factory.

6.  I am now aware that the discussions of biochar-producing stoves is 
on neither the Stoves Listserv nor on the Biochar Listserv.   I do not 
find that to be favorable, but I can accept it.   I hope that 
occasionally someone will give a short summary of those topics to the 
two listservs, and I will see the messages there.   I look forward to 
knowing of those activities.   Likewise, people who are only on the 
biochar-stoves listserv need to remember that there is relevant content 
at the Stoves and the Biochar listservs.   It is clear to all of us that 
people with diverse interests need to be willing to cross-reference and 
sometimes get duplicate messages.

I hope that explains my lack of communications (especially while on my 
long trip.)

I look forward to reading about everyone's activities.

Note:   The next "gathering spot" for us with stoves and biochar 
interests will be at ETHOS 2016 in Seattle, for which the notification 
of registration and call for abstracts was posted yesterday.   I hope 
everyone is getting that information.

Paul

Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  www.drtlud.com

On 12/1/2015 11:46 AM, Art Donnelly wrote:
> Hi Derick,
>
> I to am cynical about the willingness of those corrupt interests, that 
> run the affairs of government around the world, to allow any real 
> change to be made in business as usual. On that we can agree.
>
> I am however, confused by your statements about Paul (Anderson?) and 
> the efforts and interest or lack of it on the part of others on the 
> Wiggio list. Neither you nor Paul have shared any of Paul's ideas or 
> plans for using biochar to address the huge environmental disaster 
> that is Lake Amatitlan.
>
> However, when you received input and queries from very qualified and 
> well known  a ecologist like Dr. Thomas Goreau in Panama or 
> Environmental engineers like Lloyd Helferty in Canada you did not 
> respond. And when I began to ask specific questions you told me that 
> you and Ivan (?) felt it was best that we delay any further discussion 
> until Dr. Anderson came up with the plan.
>
> So perhaps, like me, people on the Wiggio group were simply confused.
>
> If you want to solicit input and support from those on that list-serv 
> , please go to the Wiggio feed page. 
> https://wiggio.com/#tpl=posts_2822571 Use the "Start a Conversation" 
> box at the top of the page to start a conversation about your project 
> and please make sure to give it a subject line so that people can 
> follow that conversation.
> I think you will be amazed at the quality of the input that you can 
> get from this group, but like everything else, in every other facet of 
> life you will get out of this what you put in.
>
> I would be interested in rejoining that conversation.
>
> my best wishes,
>
> Art Donnelly
> President SeaChar.Org
> US Director, The Farm Stove Project
> http://shop.seachar.org/collections/all
>
> "SeaChar.Org...positive tools for carbon negative living"
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 5:37 AM, Derick Calderon 
> <derickcalderon at gmail.com <mailto:derickcalderon at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Art wishing you all well. I just read in your mail about your
>     African Project.  I wish you success in it.From Seattle to GABON
>      is indeed a spectacular adventure..I have been in contact with my
>     friends at COP21.Governments have the main culprits of the CO2
>     problems and they have spent 20 COP's and according to news this
>     one too.Private enterprise is starting to do well.Howmuch?????.
>
>     I feel somehow that in spite of many members of your group
>     mentioning their interest. Nobody has given support to Paul in his
>     search for solutions for the lake.If this goes on I do not feel
>     that we will succeed.I think it will be a pity to lose . But life
>     is that way .
>
>     While Paul went ahead.As agreed I went to work on lake
>     Amatitlan.But if things are this way we will probably lose it also.
>
>     I will be leaving in a few days and will be back in JanuarySo I
>     wish you all a very wunderfful Christmas  Feliz Navidad y un
>     Prospero  201`6.
>
>     Derick
>
>

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