[Stoves] [biochar] Re: Project Lake Atitlan

Tue Dec 1 18:27:23 CST 2015

Hi all,

Paul, I know you are busy. I was not commenting on that. I was simply
responding to Derick's statement about not getting as much input from
people on his project as he hoped.

RE: The Wiggio Biochar-Stove Group, I have been very careful to state the
reasons and purpose for launching it. If it does not meet a need for you,
then you will probably not be using it as much as others.

As always I will be interested in hearing more about your various projects
as you have the time to share that news.

I am not finding difficult to monitor the various list-servs. Nor do I feel
any need to mirror my posts on all the various biochar or cook-stoves
groups.

I look forward to seeing you at ETHOS.

Art Donnelly
President SeaChar.Org
US Director, The Farm Stove Project
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On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Paul Anderson psanders at ilstu.edu [biochar] <
biochar at yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> Dear Art,
>
> I can clear up some of the confusion.
>
> 1.  Counting preparations, 5 weeks trip to Africa, and 2 weeks back, I
> have been only peripherally active with some messages.   That partly
> explains.
>
> 2.  Derick and I and a few were in very preliminary chats about some
> biochar topic in Guatemala.   But there were elections going on, etc.   And
> the new government is not in power until mid January.   And Derick and I
> were not pushing.
>
> 3.  I must admit that I do not understand the Wiggio process.   I thought
> that the biochar-stoves group was a new listserv.   And I have received
> very few messages.   But it seems that the Wiggio process is to set up some
> specialty discussions on topics of interest.   I have not looked at any
> such messages, so I have not responded.   I am not wanting to be subscribed
> to additional lists or groups that require me to go to some site (other
> than my main email account) to see the messages.   So I have not
> participated.   And I do not wish to participate at that level.   I have as
> much as I can handle with the Stoves and Biochar and Gasification
> Listservs, where I certainly am active.   I do not even allow discussions
> via my    drtlud.com   website; people with comments for Dr TLUD either
> write to those listservs or directly to me.
>
> 4.  My latest count of ongoing projects of gasifier stoves and/or biochar
> in which I am directly active is eleven, in eleven countries.   One of
> those is Guatemala with Derick.   I will discuss those projects with others
> via the listservs or as separate messages.
>
> 5.  My interest in biochar are about production and about use in growing
> plants.   I am not involved with environmental remediations (such as what
> is needed at Lago Amatitlan).   There are fashionable houses around that
> lake, and those residents are not likely candidates for TLUD cookstoves.
> That is a realization today.   I will consider something at Lake Atitlan
> where there are rural villages.   Or closer to Derick's residence and
> bamboo farm/factory.
>
> 6.  I am now aware that the discussions of biochar-producing stoves is on
> neither the Stoves Listserv nor on the Biochar Listserv.   I do not find
> that to be favorable, but I can accept it.   I hope that occasionally
> someone will give a short summary of those topics to the two listservs, and
> I will see the messages there.   I look forward to knowing of those
> activities.   Likewise, people who are only on the biochar-stoves listserv
> need to remember that there is relevant content at the Stoves and the
> Biochar listservs.   It is clear to all of us that people with diverse
> interests need to be willing to cross-reference and sometimes get duplicate
> messages.
>
> I hope that explains my lack of communications (especially while on my
> long trip.)
>
> I look forward to reading about everyone's activities.
>
> Note:   The next "gathering spot" for us with stoves and biochar interests
> will be at ETHOS 2016 in Seattle, for which the notification of
> registration and call for abstracts was posted yesterday.   I hope everyone
> is getting that information.
>
> Paul
>
> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
> Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>
> On 12/1/2015 11:46 AM, Art Donnelly wrote:
>
> Hi Derick,
>
> I to am cynical about the willingness of those corrupt interests, that run
> the affairs of government around the world, to allow any real change to be
> made in business as usual. On that we can agree.
>
> I am however, confused by your statements about Paul (Anderson?) and the
> efforts and interest or lack of it on the part of others on the Wiggio
> list. Neither you nor Paul have shared any of Paul's ideas or plans for
> using biochar to address the huge environmental disaster that is Lake
> Amatitlan.
>
> However, when you received input and queries from very qualified and well
> known  a ecologist like Dr. Thomas Goreau in Panama or Environmental
> engineers like Lloyd Helferty in Canada you did not respond. And when I
> began to ask specific questions you told me that you and Ivan (?) felt it
> was best that we delay any further discussion until Dr. Anderson came up
> with the plan.
>
> So perhaps, like me, people on the Wiggio group were simply confused.
>
> If you want to solicit input and support from those on that list-serv ,
> please go to the Wiggio feed page. <https://wiggio.com/#tpl=posts_2822571>
> https://wiggio.com/#tpl=posts_2822571  Use the "Start a Conversation" box
> at the top of the page to start a conversation about your project and
> please make sure to give it a subject line so that people can follow that
> conversation.
> I think you will be amazed at the quality of the input that you can get
> from this group, but like everything else, in every other facet of life you
> will get out of this what you put in.
>
> I would be interested in rejoining that conversation.
>
> my best wishes,
>
> Art Donnelly
> President SeaChar.Org
> US Director, The Farm Stove Project
> http://shop.seachar.org/collections/all
>
> "SeaChar.Org...positive tools for carbon negative living"
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 5:37 AM, Derick Calderon <derickcalderon at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Art wishing you all well. I just read in your mail about your
>> African Project.  I wish you success in it.From Seattle to GABON  is indeed
>> a spectacular adventure..I have been in contact with my friends at
>> COP21.Governments have the main culprits of the CO2 problems and they have
>> spent 20 COP's and according to news this one too.Private enterprise is
>> starting to do well.Howmuch?????.
>>
>> I feel somehow that in spite of many members of your group mentioning
>> their interest. Nobody has given support to Paul in his search for
>> solutions for the lake.If this goes on I do not feel that we will succeed.I
>> think it will be a pity to lose . But life is that way .
>>
>> While Paul went ahead.As agreed I went to work on lake Amatitlan.But if
>> things are this way we will probably lose it also.
>>
>> I will be leaving in a few days and will be back in JanuarySo I wish you
>> all a very wunderfful Christmas  Feliz Navidad y un Prospero  201`6.
>>
>> Derick
>>
>
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