[Stoves] Message 1: Jock's Question, Micro-enterprise Examples
Daniel-John Peterson
exiledspirit at gmail.com
Mon Jun 1 06:55:05 CDT 2015
Hi Jock,
This year I've been coordinating and micro-financing a socio-economically
challenged family in the Philippines, to distribute and retail the Belonio
TLUD-type domestic cooking stove (danieljohnpeterson.com). It's the
family's first attempt at operating their own business & has required
extensive support. During my in-kind work there, I demonstrated the cooking
stove for about 200+ potential customers, in both urban and rural settings.
Anecdotal I can say I had near zero interest from anyone for the benefits
of TLUD technologies related to climate-change mitigation. We've achieved
several sales, but unfortunately I have no literal documentation of the
type you've requested.
Thank you for the great question.
Daniel
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> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 10:33:12 +0530
> From: Sujatha Srinivasan <sujatha at servals.in>
> To: Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <crispinpigott at outlook.com>
> Cc: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
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> Subject: Re: [Stoves] examples of biochar stoves in micro enterprise?
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> Thank you Crispin.
>
> Dear Mr. Gill - Greetings from Servals, India. Good to e-meet you.
>
> As a quick background - we are a social enterprise based in India with a
> mandate around efficient, clean household cookstove based on a social
> entrepreneurship based business model. www.servalsgroup.blogspot.com
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> I am happy to enclose a link to a cookstove program around our TLUD
> gasifier cookstoves - which is currently running in Sunderbans, West Bengal
> (Indo-gangetic delta in Eastern India). The largest dissemination of the
> gasifier cookstove technology till date, the first to receive a carbon
> credit accredit ion, this program has also built in a "charcoal-buyback"
> program - where the users of the cookstove are paid for collecting and
> selling back the residue (charcoal) from the cookstove back to the project.
> This "TLUD charcoal" is then sold as a replacement for fossil fuel.
>
> We have just compiled a documentation of the socio-economic-environmental
> benefits of this cookstove program. Please see this link:
>
> http://www.slideshare.net/ashiq25/earn-while-you-cook-sunderbans-project-achievements
>
> Happy to share more information.
>
> Look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Warm Regards
> Sujatha
>
>
> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 9:16 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
> crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:
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> > Dear Jock
> >
> >
> >
> > Contact Sujatha.
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> >
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> > Regards
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> > Crispin
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> > All,
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> > A friend in the State Department writes:
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> > "Talking to people about both climate change and cookstoves. Any good,
> > well documented, examples of people using biochar stoves inmicro
> enterprise
> > applications?"
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your time and consideration.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Jock
> >
> > Jock Gill
> >
> > P. O. Box 3
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> > Peacham, VT 05862
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> > *google.com/+JockGill*
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> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 13:36:54 +0100
> From: ajheggie at gmail.com
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
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> [Default] On Sat, 30 May 2015 10:24:01 -0700,Frank Shields
> <franke at cruzio.com> wrote:
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> >Absolutely amazing!
>
> Yes , the different ways we things does produce widely differing views
> of the subject. I liked Cecil's last couple of posts because I share
> his view that minutely comparing stoves's technical performance is not
> easily translated into the variations between users in actual use.
> Also I am no expert in mensuration and feel a lot of the nitpicking is
> like a talent contest to have a particular stove selected for grant
> funding.
> >
> >I?m trying to control variables and ALL are just skirting around the
> problem by pilling up variables on top of each so much it makes moving
> forward impossible.
>
> Maybe so but your background is in the science of measurement and
> analysis, your mind set is to compartmentalise and pigeon hole to
> enable that analysis, many of us have to take a broader view because
> we do not share your expertise.
>
> > ?Smokeless fuel? What is that!
>
> Yes I'm sure I can make most fuels smoke ;-)
> >
> >
> >and Climate Connection!!??!!
>
> I agree this is a bit off topic and tenuous and better discussed on
> the biochar list, important though it may be, it's best we stick to
> stoves and their performance which includes cultural issues.
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> AJH
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> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 13:54:17 +0100
> From: ajheggie at gmail.com
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] VERY interesting article in LOW-TECH MAGAZINE:
> Well-Tended Fires Outperform Modern Cooking Stoves
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> [Default] On Fri, 29 May 2015 14:29:11 -0400,Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
> <crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:
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> >It is a good article to challenge yourself on whether the comparisons are
> made fairly or not. If you compare the energy in the total fuel consumed in
> one system with the energy in the heat transferred to the pot in another,
> how do you know if one is better than the other?
>
> Yes, I would have likes a bit more information about how the costs for
> power used to produce and distribute refined fuels were attributed, I
> could see no legend for the graphic used.
>
> I like to use natural gas to cook with (my wife insists on an electric
> hob at home and as she does 99% of the household cooking...) but can
> see how these additional costs do make it less efficient than a wood
> flame cooker.
>
> AJH
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> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 09:06:54 -0400
> From: Jock Gill <jock at jockgill.com>
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: [Stoves] Regenerative Capitalism
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> Regenerative Capitalism would create an environment in which Biochar could
> thrive. It may be a necessary condition for Biochar to thrive.
>
>
> http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2015/05/31/Save-the-planet-while-lifting-fellow-humans-out-of-poverty-with-regenerative-capitalism/stories/201505310082
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> I look forward to your comments and suggestions.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jock
>
> Jock Gill
> P. O. Box 3
> Peacham, VT 05862
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> google.com/+JockGill
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> Extract CO2 from the atmosphere!
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> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 09:52:37 -0400
> From: Bamboo Science Group <greg at bamboosciencegroup.com>
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> Congrats Dean on your story appearing on CBS Sunday Morning
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> Sent from my iPad
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> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 09:58:16 -0500
> From: cec1863 at gmail.com
> To: Jock Gill <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>, Discussion of
> biomass
> cooking stoves <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Regenerative Capitalism
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> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 11:24:51 -0400
> From: Jock Gill <jock at jockgill.com>
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
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> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Regenerative Capitalism
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> Cecil,
>
> Many thanks for the thoughtful reply with much valuable context.
>
> Jock Gill
> P. O. Box 3
> Peacham, VT 05862
>
> google.com/+JockGill
>
> Extract CO2 from the atmosphere!
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> > On May 31, 2015, at 10:58 AM, cec1863 at gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Interesting Oped piece on replacing degenerative capitalism with
> regenerative capitalism. Who is not in favour of regeneration? But there is
> still the question of who pays for the damage done by unbridled
> capitalism's drunken spree which wrecked the US and global economy. Is it
> not like taking another hit on the bottle to overcome the hangover that
> resulted from yesterday's excesses? Maybe both capitalism and socialism
> have in fact failed so what we need is a pre capitalistic economy which
> returns to a more generous conception of ?what it means to be a responsible
> human being and good neighbor. Fritz Schumacher wrote eloquently about
> Buddhist economics which referenced a village economy in Burma (I think it
> was) and the intelligent way farming families cooperated to ensure no one
> starves and everybody contributes their labour and capital to ensure the
> well being of everyone in the community. Every family contributes and
> everyone benefits. It's an all in kind of communitarian economics,
> >
> > On this point I remember when I Fritz explained to well wisher at a
> luncheon in his honour in Chicago ?(where I got to know him a little
> because NCAT was co hosting a speaking tour for him around the USA in 1976)
> that he could have just as well used Christian Economics as the title but
> then unfortunately very few people would have taken the time to read it!
> You will perhap remember that Schumacher got most of his communitarian
> economics from Gandhi's struggle to revitalize the (then) half million
> villages in India so each would become politically self governing and
> economically self reliant.
> >
> > So to make a long response short: there is no need to fix a
> disintegrated capitalism. We can thank Karl Marx and Max Weber? for their
> respective critiques of free will capitalism and bureaucratic socialism,
> clear our heads of ideological abstractions, and focus our minds and hearts
> on the challenge of creating a sustainable inclusive economy which offers
> modest property and meaning work for all its able bodied members. If we
> need a label let's call it communitarian economics. But what's in the name
> when it's the challenge of full, meaningful, and environmentally
> appropriate employment that is at the heart of our struggle for a new world
> order in which humanity can live out its destiny on this little blue green
> planet we call home. Remember Bucky Fuller's Operating Manual for Spaceship
> Earth and don't leave home without it!
> >
> > Best we keep on trukin because we ain't nowhere close to home yet.
> >
> > Cecil Cook
> > TechnoShare SA
> >
> >
> > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> > From: Jock Gill
> > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 8:07 AM
> > To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> > Reply To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> > Subject: [Stoves] Regenerative Capitalism
> >
> > Regenerative Capitalism would create an environment in which Biochar
> could thrive. It may be a necessary condition for Biochar to thrive.
> >
> >
> http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2015/05/31/Save-the-planet-while-lifting-fellow-humans-out-of-poverty-with-regenerative-capitalism/stories/201505310082
> >
> > I look forward to your comments and suggestions.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jock
> >
> > Jock Gill
> > P. O. Box 3
> > Peacham, VT 05862
> >
> > google.com/+JockGill
> >
> > Extract CO2 from the atmosphere!
> >
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