[Stoves] Clean coal burning stoves Re: History of clean Chinese stove development.
Ronal W. Larson
rongretlarson at comcast.net
Sun Sep 20 10:26:44 CDT 2015
Paul et al
We heard some months ago that Prof. Nurhuda’s TLUD stove was the most popular on at least one Indonesian island, but we never heard back on the reason for that success. I hope more detail can be learned as you meet with Camilla and others from Prime. Is the produced char going into the ground?
Ron
On Sep 20, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Muhammad Nurhuda <mnurhuda at ub.ac.id> wrote:
> Dear Prof. Anderson,
>
> Please contact Camilla at camilla.fulland at primestoves.com.
>
> Prime will have its own production unit soon.
>
> Kind regards
> M. Nurhuda
>
> On Sep 20, 2015 9:10 PM, "Paul Anderson" <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:
> Dear Prof. Nurhuda,
>
> Thank you for the detailed answers. Congratulations on your work.
>
> Sorry that you will not be at the GACC Forum. Will it be possible for your colleagues at Prime to bring your stoves (the standard ones for biomass, not the ones with the enlarged holes for coal) so that I could purchase one? Used for the demonstrations is fine. Other people might also want to obtain one. Airplane luggage can become free shipping for a few units.
>
> Prof. Anderson
> Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> Email: psanders at ilstu.edu
> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
> Website: www.drtlud.com
> On 9/19/2015 8:09 PM, Muhammad Nurhuda wrote:
>> Dear Prof. Anderson,
>>
>> We have developed the chemical formula for coal pellet/briquettes at the time when the government of Indonesia launched conversion program from kerosene to LPG (2010). It was almost everyday LPG stove explosions. Then, some people came to me in order to research the coal pellet/briquettes. Unfortunately, after the research finished and we we got good results, LPG was accepted widely by the people, and the government forgot the coal fuel at all.
>>
>> Let me answer your questions.
>>
>> 1. There are no char created. The residue from coal pellet is ash.
>> 2. Yes, all pellets are burnt in one run, batch process generating ash.
>> 3. I do not manufacture coal pellet/briquettes. It was only research. Some kg samples of pellets I had sent to Dean for test, but I do not know the results. No coal pellet left at all by me.
>> 4. If there are people interested to manufacture pellet/briquettes coal, please contact me. The stoves I use are the same as our stoves, both for wood fuel or pellet fuel.
>> 5. I will not come to GACC. But our colleagues in Prime will join.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> M. Nurhuda
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> A VERY interesting development!!!
>>
>> 1. Is there a "char" created? and is there a sufficiently distinctive transition time at the end of burning the released volatiles? OR
>>
>> 2. Is it burning all the way to ash in one continuous run?
>>
>> 3. Please send more info (about all aspects, from manufacture to further testing and about results if burned in other stoves, etc.).
>>
>> 4. Will you be marketing the technology, or the equipment, or selling the pellet product from your own operations?
>>
>> 5. Please consider bringing at least 10 kg in 500 g (approx) packets to the GACC Forum in Ghana in November for distribution of samples that are sufficient for others to test in their stoves.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Paul
>> Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>> Email: psanders at ilstu.edu
>> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>> Website: www.drtlud.com
>> On 9/19/2015 5:30 AM, Muhammad Nurhuda wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> We have developed coal pellet, in order it is burnable like biomass..
>>>
>>> Please check the following video.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YXrPyGz1pU
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> M. Nurhuda
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2015 1:48 PM, "Muhammad Nurhuda" <mnurhuda.ub at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> We have developed coal pellet, in order it is burnable like biomass..
>>>
>>> Please check the following video.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YXrPyGz1pU
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> M. Nurhuda
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2015 10:37 AM, "Crispin Pemberton-Pigott" <crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:
>>> Dear Paul
>>>
>>> There are a lot more than four stoves that were approved in one year or another. Last year alone there were six.
>>>
>>> More follow up later. Busy writing.
>>> Crispin
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Seema,
>>>
>>> Thank you for the informative reply.
>>>
>>> 1. Yes, the Mongolian coal burning stoves and project will be quite evident at the Ghana Forum.
>>>
>>> 2. I support your recommendation:
>>>>
>>>> I would also recommend any of the 4 stoves that were used in the Mongolian intervention to be added to the Alliance’ Clean Cooking Catalog, along with any third party test results so we can have the information about the stoves’ performance available to our stakeholders.
>>> Nothing will please everyone, but openness to share information should be applauded by all.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>>> Email: psanders at ilstu.edu
>>> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>>> Website: www.drtlud.com
>>> On 9/18/2015 5:29 PM, Seema Patel wrote:
>>>> Including a belated response regarding the earlier email chains, but wanted to be sure the Alliance contributed to the discussion….
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Alliance’s current understanding of the state of technology aligns with WHO’s Indoor Air Quality Guidelines which recommends that coal should not be used as a household fuel, concluding that its combustion in the HH is carcinogenic, containing toxic elements not destroyed by combustion. Similarly, the IAQC cites existing evidence that shows household use of kerosene can lead to levels of particulate matter and other pollutants that exceed WHO guidelines. As well, the risk of burns, fires and poisoning, associated with the use of kerosene in developing countries is a cause for concern.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.who.int/indoorair/guidelines/hhfc/recommendation_3/en/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.who.int/indoorair/guidelines/hhfc/recommendation_4/en/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Overall, the Alliance supports and promotes a range of technologies, innovations and processing that will optimize fuel combustion leading to efficiency gains and cleanliness, but we also acknowledge that there are tradeoffs between all different fuels and technologies. Rufus Edwards from UC Irvine, will be speaking at the Ghana Forum on the panel “No Boundaries: household to ambient air pollution” about the Millennium Challenge Corporation’s Ulaanbaatar project, which focused on scaling up more efficient coal burning stoves – we welcome participation from the Stoves ListServ community in the discussion. I would also recommend any of the 4 stoves that were used in the Mongolian intervention to be added to the Alliance’ Clean Cooking Catalog, along with any third party test results so we can have the information about the stoves’ performance available to our stakeholders.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Seema Patel
>>>>
>>>> Senior Associate | UN Foundation
>>>>
>>>> Global Alliance for Clean Cookstoves
>>>>
>>>> Tel: 202.864.5149 Skype: seema.patel80
>>>>
>>>> spatel at cleancookstoves.org
>>>> www.cleancookstoves.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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