[Stoves] TLUDs and China Re: Why is it still so difficult to design cookstoves for 3 billion people?

Thu Jun 23 11:11:36 CDT 2016

Mangolazi,

Thanks again.   Do you go to China frequently?   I do not recall any 
introduction to the Listserv about yourself.   We would like to get to 
know you better.

Paul

Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  www.drtlud.com

On 6/23/2016 10:21 AM, Mangolazi wrote:
> Most welcome and glad to be of help. I'm surprised that there isn't a big push for clean biomass stoves in China, given that half the population consists of rural farmers who would benefit most from sustainable and clean energy.
>
> Anyway, when it comes to cooking in the countryside, here's what I've seen in the western provinces:
>
> Restaurants use LPG tanks if available, otherwise firewood and charcoal are used. Round charcoal briquettes (see pix) are used in small ceramic stoves to keep soups warm.
>
> Rural households use firewood in simple iron stoves with chimneys and charcoal in ceramic stoves. I didn't see agri waste like dried corn cobs or rice husks being used for cooking. A lot of agri waste is simply burned in the field, heavily polluting the air at the end of each crop season.
>
> I think hybrid TLUDs like your T-Char design would be perfect for Chinese-style cooking, with an initial high heat frying stage and a subsequent slow simmer on coals. There's also an opportunity for large biochar kilns like the Kontiki to handle farm waste.
>
> On June 23, 2016 9:00:21 PM GMT+08:00, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:
>> Dear Mangolazi,
>>
>> THANK YOU for that info.  The language barrier prevents much of this
>> info from being accessed.   I encourage you to use your Chinese
>> language
>> abilities and your connections to bring more of this information to the
>>
>> Stoves readers.   Maybe you could recruit some Chinese students to
>> gather and present information in English about stoves (especially the
>> gasifiers) in China.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
>> Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>>
>> On 6/23/2016 2:45 AM, Mangolazi wrote:
>>> I did a quick scan for wood stoves on Tmall.com and Taobao.com, 2 of
>> the most popular ecommerce sites in China. Most were simple rocket
>> types for camping costing <100 yuan. There were a few ND TLUDs for
>> camping costing around 100 yuan, all looking like they came from the
>> same factory.
>>> I found only one manufacturer selling forced draft TLUDs for home
>> kitchens. Prices are between 500-1000 yuan. The website is at
>> www.wpjn88.com. See attached pix for more info. You can search for more
>> stoves on Chinese e-commerce sites by typing in 柴炉 (firewood stove) or
>> 柴气(wood gas).
>>> On my visits to farm houses up in the mountains of western China,
>> I've never seen a TLUD type stove. Cheap ~200 yuan cast iron chimney
>> stoves are common. Is there a market for biomass stoves in large
>> developing countries like India and China were electricity and LPG are
>> becoming cooking fuels of choice? I don't know, it would be nice to
>> find out from academics and policy makers in those countries.
>>> On June 21, 2016 11:28:10 AM GMT+08:00, Paul Anderson
>> <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:
>>>> Todd,
>>>>
>>>> Please use your China connections to get the data collected from
>> there.
>>>> I have near-zero China contact.   Nor do the I of IL students and
>> most
>>>> other places with internship.  If the data does not come from China,
>>>> then it will not enter into the recorded history.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>>>> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
>>>> Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>>>> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>>>>
>>>> On 6/20/2016 6:22 PM, Todd Albi wrote:
>>>>> Paul:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!  We will add that to our "To Do" list, but recognize as a
>>>>> commercial stove & cookware enterprise with numerous types of
>> stoves
>>>>> (TLUDS, Rocket Stoves, Solar Stoves, Biomass Ovens, and related
>>>>> products), our plate is full with ongoing product developments and
>>>>> projects that align more with the scope and priority to our
>>>> organization.
>>>>> The factual History of TLUD's is a suitable project for an
>>>> internship,
>>>>> perhaps you have a student intern candidate?  As /Dr. TLUD, /the
>>>>> importance of a project of this scope is more in your sphere of
>>>>> interest.  Possibly you can rally the support of University of
>>>>> Illinois or another educational institution to provide funding.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps an actual appropriate GACC spend?   If not, I would think
>>>> this
>>>>> is a project of great interest for you to champion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Todd //
>>>>> /
>>>>>
>>>>> 9 Watt Teg Side Fed TLUD Prototype
>>>>> /
>>>>>
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