[Stoves] What would you do with 30.5 million dollars?

Tue Nov 8 17:43:28 CST 2016

I would add a specific clause to design and test stove or kitchen systems
that can be locally adapted and constructed based on users needs with local
materials, sand, straw, clay etc at low to no cost, without the need for
specialised manufacturing of any kind. Focusing on user friendly features
to help the cook/family be efficient and safe.

Multi pot, hot water, continuous use, start and stop, fuel drying, chimney
or flue for exhaust, simmering and food warming,  charcoal option, char
creation, easy maintain and clean, easy repair.
Primary focus on users needs, fuel management, add the science later for
efficiency, health and safety and testing.

Then train an army of well wishing adventurers to deliver the designs to
the source with standardised induction, development (actually option
selection) process and train local constructors and knowledge specialists
on basics of burning and insulation to construct and repair.

Tony Vovers

On 7 Nov 2016 13:31, "Frank Shields" <franke at cruzio.com> wrote:

> Dear Tom, Crispin, Stovers,
>
> There is available 30.5 million dollars thats going to be spent by one
> University to determine if lives will be saved if biomass burners switched
> over to LPD - an I reading that correctly? So I ask; What would I do with
> the 30.5 million dollars?
>
> 1) Map out Globally where the poorest of the poor live. People so poor
> they cannot afford LPG. People the 30.5 funds are ignoring and leaving
> behind.
>
> 2) List, collect and categorize the fuels they have available and
> inventory the amount.
>
> 3) Pick several types of stoves that represent the ones available (rocket,
> TLUD, rice and dung etc) and determine the fuel characteristics that are
> most important in the stove operation.
> Moisture, size and shape of particles, carbon density, bulk density,
> Volatile fraction at 450c, ash etc. etc.
>
> 4) Assay the fuels collected in number (2) for the important parameters
> found in (3).
>
> 5) Match the available solid biomass fuels to a list of appropriate stoves
> on the market.
>
> 6) Set up labs and certification program.
>
> 7) List of approved methods for the labs to use in testing.
>
> 8) Once the above is completed we can then take the stoves matched with
> the appropriate fuels and Cook Food.
>
> 9) Then is the time to test air quality.
>
> Wondering what others would do if they got the 30.5 million dollars and
> wanted to make a difference??
>
>
> Regards
>
> Frank
> Frank Shields
> Gabilan Laboratory
> Keith Day Company
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2016, at 10:00 AM, Tom Miles <tmiles at trmiles.com> wrote:
>
> The Global Alliance for Chronic Disease (CACD), which is coordinating the
> study, appears to be looking at LPG as an alternative to wood and not in
> combination with wood as discussed in the “context” thread. There is no
> mention of protocols or comparisons among fuels. What is being used to
> represent “wood” smoke?
> https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-
> contributes-global-effort-prevent-manage-lung-diseases
>
> The study appears to be the result of a 2015 funding opportunity
> announcement and is a joint project of NIH, the Gates Foundation, the
> Global Alliance for Clean Cookstoves (GACC), and the Global Alliance for
> Chronic Diseases (GACD). If I have the correct announcement LPG wasn’t
> specified in the original solicitation. Second hand cigarette smoke was.
> The solicitation was directed only to  universities. Emory University will
> conduct the study.
> http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/rfa-files/RFA-HL-16-012.html
>
> Are there studies which address the use of multiple fuels and the impact
> of improved cook stoves?
>
> Tom
>
>
> *From:* Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org
> <stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org>] *On Behalf Of *Traveller
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 05, 2016 4:01 PM
> *To:* adam at instove.org
> *Cc:* Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.
> org>
> *Subject:* SPAM: Re: [Stoves] NIH and Gates Foundation-Funded Research to
> Measure Health Benefits of Clean Cookstoves
>
> Adam, list:
>
>
> There's more to this, going back to 21 September 2010 when HRC announced
> GACC at CGI and a press release announcing US support for clean cookstoves.
> I will send it to you and Tom separately in case you are interested. I have
> excerpted key parts below.
> NIH and CDC have spent some $42 m on cookstoves and health as of last FY;
> probably another $5m this FY just ended in Sept. See The United States'
> Commitment to the Global Alliance for Clean Cookstoves: Year Five Progress
> Report <http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2015/09/247240.htm>.
>
> I don't think new woodstove designs or dissemination have anything to do
> with that research so far or the new research proposed, which is about *LPG
> users. *
>
> As GACC notes, it is to
>
>
> "monitor the stove use and exposure to household air pollution of
> participating households in India, Rwanda, Guatemala, and Peru. The study
> will assess health outcomes, including birth weight, growth, and
> respiratory infections in children and respiratory function, blood
> pressure, and inflammation in adults."
>
>
> Of course.
>
> This is parasitic research, It is to make a health case for LPG because
> the health case against solid fuels has already been cooked up and blared
> on all media all over. This Community of Practice is irrelevant for this
> research, I am afraid.
>
> As for the Gateses, the money will probably go to the super-human beings
> at IHME who dish out deaths by assumptions every six months now, it seems.
> IHME has loads of Gates money, and of course they have WHO and the media
> lapping at their hands and feet. Everybody seems to be convinced by
> cite-o-logy.
>
> I wouldn't mind this if users did not want LPG and had to be persuaded.
> Which - as far as I can tell - is NOT the case.
>
> Yes, LPG emissions can have PM2.5. And yes, food emissions may also have
> PM2.5. Under the assumption that all PM2.5 are equally toxic, of course
> this global health folks will want to poke their noses in "participating
> households". They will enjoy the smells, I can guarantee.
>
> Remember, only USAID can put money in other countries for stove research
> and dissemination. And even there its hands are tied on procurement.
>
>
> Nikhil
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Excerpts from Sept 21, 2010 press release:
>
> *"Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)*
>
>
>
> *-National Institutes of Health (NIH) –$24.7 million*
>
> § NIH will commit about $24.7 million over five years to support ongoing
> research and research training projects, as well as new efforts to develop
> improved measuring devices, expand epidemiologic studies and conduct
> clinical trials. Ongoing projects include studies on the cookstove-related
> effects on pulmonary and cardiac diseases, the relationship between indoor
> air pollution and low-birth weight, and studies on the most effective ways
> to introduce and educate users on safety and the proper use of cookstoves.
> Training programs help prepare scientists in low- and middle-income
> countries to engage in related research and evaluation activities.
> § NIH will also lead and co-sponsor an international state-of-science
> cookstoves conference in late Spring 2011. The Office of Global Health
> Affairs, within HHS’ Office of the Secretary, will contribute $100,000 to
> support this conference.
>
> -*Centers for Disease Control (CDC) – $1 million*
>
>
>
>
>
> As a founding member the CDC is committing to working closely with
> Alliance members and the global community to:
>
> § Demonstrate the health benefits of implementing clean cookstove programs
> § Better understand the relationship between human exposures and health
> outcomes
> § Integrate cookstove implementation with other public health programs
> § Evaluate cookstove program implementation
>
> *OVERVIEW*
>
> § *Nearly 2 million premature deaths every year*
>
> *............*
>
> *----------*----
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 2:35 PM, <adam at instove.org> wrote:
>
> I have written to the Director of the NIH about this study, and have not
> heard back. Sometimes going straight to the top works, but not this time,
> apparently.
>
> What I would like to know is whether anyone in this community of practice
> was part of the discussions around this research. At the price tag, this is
> the single largest cookstove study that I've ever heard of. Anyone know of
> a larger one?
>
> Anyone know which stove models are going to be studied?
>
> Anyone know how the countries were selected (and Africa was somehow
> missed)?
>
> Is there any clarity on this? I feel pretty blindsided. I just spoke with
> a Gates Senior Program officer who retired last month. She reaffirmed what
> I'd heard before: "No way" that Gates can fund cookstoves. Yet this
> week...this.
>
> How did this happen? When will details come out?
>
> Anyone have any insights? Would love to be more informed, but feeling
> pretty blindsided now. Echoing Nikhil's disappointment if this
> historically-well-funded study by the largest US Foundation turns out to be
> a paean to LPG.
>
> Would prefer an LPG swan song (re: Nikhil's "wild goose chase").
>
> Adam
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] NIH and Gates Foundation-Funded Research to
> Measure Health Benefits of Clean Cookstoves
>
> From: Traveller <miata98 at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, November 04, 2016 5:15 pm
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Tom:
>
> This is to cook White House South Lawn meals for the researchers of
> "links" and "associations" that WHO and GACC can later call "causes".
>
> It is a "multi-country trial to investigate the correlation between home
> use of clean cookstoves using liquefied petroleum gas and its measurable
> health benefits, particularly for women and children."
>
> Duh!! Why? Don't most cooks want to switch to LPG? This isn't like
> measuring - if at all possible - "health benefits" - whatever they may be -
> of newfangled biomass or coal stoves, and then marketing them for the
> health benefits. If users are going to switch to LPG or electricity anyway,
> I suppose NIH could get into the health damage due to LPG and electricity.
> After all, the Empire Promotion Agency has declared that GHGs "endanger"
> American public's health.
>
> Coming to think of it, maybe this is an ideological response to the
> anti-carbon nuts who claim LPG is to be avoided as a "fossil fuel" and
> "renewable biomass" be pursued exclusively, no matter its health and
> environmental effects (land, water and labor use, plus reliance on
> livestock for manure)?
>
> Only in America. How amusing and sad.
>
> This is a - what? Wild goose chase? Going up alleys known to be blind?
>
> Or confirming the obvious, but subjecting the control group to continue to
> suffer the health damage?
>
> What are they going to do with the LPG option offered to users who
> participate in the study? Take the cylinders and stoves back?
>
> Why even bother, since Kirk Smith says, LPG is "the fuel that could save
> millions of lives every year. • By definition!" (Environmental Health in
> India:What are the issues and what is India doing about it?
> <http://ehsdiv.sph.berkeley.edu/krsmith/Presentations/2016/SRU%20Oct%2016%20used.pdf> Sri
> Ramachandra University, Chennai October 6, 2016.)
>
> All I can say is that the glory of Gates in the Global Burden of Disease -
> Killing by Assumption - is enhanced by the US government. Keeps Washington
> (DC and State) busy.
>
> Nikhil
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> From: "Tom Miles" <tmiles at trmiles.com>
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