[Stoves] Desktop research topic for someone....Re: Accidental TLUD technique discovery

[Paul Anderson]

Anyone,

Please do some searching about what Crispin describes below.   And 
please share with the Stoves Listserv.

Paul

Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
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On 11/15/2016 11:17 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:
> Dear Neil
>
> When I was in Scouts we always made the main fires in the manner described.
> I didn't see another method used so it must have been around for a while.
>
> The oldest methods described for lighting a smokeless fire also describe a
> top lit fire. This was a quasi-military thing as cooking without smoke was
> important. It is in the books on "Indian" fire building methods going back
> yonks.
>
> I was not aware that everyone as not aware this is how to do it.
>
> Regards
> Crispin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of
> neiltm at uwclub.net
> Sent: 16-Nov-16 05:40
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Accidental TLUD technique discovery
>
> Crispin, I'm amazed by your scouting campfire experience, it bears
> absolutely no relation to mine, where in both the troops I was in at
> different times the fires whether for cooking or the sing song camp evening
> fire were completely conventional bottom lit, the latter sometimes in a
> tepee construction.  What you are describing, but probably on a larger
> scale, seems to be what Paal Wendelbo described and that inspired him.  It
> might be interesting to try to discover if old scouting literature describes
> making fires this way.  Our cooking was in large oval cast iron 'dixies'
> placed on top of sticks aligned in the direction of the wind hopefully.  The
> most sophisticated thing we did was to roast large joints of pork, from
> breakfast time to be ready at lunch time where a roasting tin with the joint
> was placed on a bed of embers, a galvanised bath tub inverted over the whole
> and sealed with ash and a fire from a separate pit brought over and placed
> around the windward side and on top.
>   Guaging the degree of cooking was by removing a pole from the corner of the
> cook house shelter, placing the metal tip on the top of the bathtub and the
> wooden end in an ear!  After 4 years of observing and helping in this
> process you became sufficiently competent to take charge of it.  We were
> allowed half an hour leeway to bring the pork to the table, pork properly
> cooked was more important than punctuality!
>
> So was the TLUD/CD fire common knowledge in Britain/Europe?  I never came
> across it in the late 50s and sixties, or since.  Our scoutmaster was an ex
> navy man, perhaps if he had been army?  There's some unwritten history here
> surely?
>
> But I came across this through the second hit on a search for 'scout camp
> fire instructions':
>
> https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/campfire-basics.html
>
> They call it the 'Upside down (pyramid)' (the fire being 'upside down', not
> the pyramid!
>
> The girl guides also have it, but they don't really understand it, unless
> yours had tinder at the bottom as well?:
>
> http://gscm.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/07-1137MasterOfTheCampfire.pdf
>
> "You can use several types of fire styl
> es for a campfire. The PYRAMID starts
> with a bottom layer of 4-6 inch diameter logs. Add subsequent layers of
> smaller shorter logs. Fill the center with tinder and kindling and light the
> fire on a small platform of sticks near the top. As it burns, the coals fall
> in to the middle, helping the fire burn downward."
>
> wikihow.com don't know it
>
> http://scoutingmagazine.org/2016/02/how-to-build-the-best-campfire/
>
> don't list it
>
> It seems patchy, but I'm wondering if it simply became largely forgotten in
> my day and has been revived a bit in more recent times?  It always amazes me
> what my parents generation didn't seem to know.
>
> Best wishes,   Neil Taylor
>
>
>
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