[Stoves] Desktop research topic for someone....Re: Accidental TLUD technique discovery

[Ingelore Kahrens]

Hi everyone,

I found some well-illustrated instructions. 
http://fourhourworkweek.com/2009/02/02/how-to-build-an-upside-down-fire/

I loved building fires when I was a girl scout - and still do today. And 
I´ll try this method as soon as possible.

Ingelore


Am 16.11.2016 um 23:10 schrieb Paul Anderson:
> Anyone,
>
> Please do some searching about what Crispin describes below.   And 
> please share with the Stoves Listserv.
>
> Paul
>
> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
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>
> On 11/15/2016 11:17 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:
>> Dear Neil
>>
>> When I was in Scouts we always made the main fires in the manner 
>> described.
>> I didn't see another method used so it must have been around for a 
>> while.
>>
>> The oldest methods described for lighting a smokeless fire also 
>> describe a
>> top lit fire. This was a quasi-military thing as cooking without 
>> smoke was
>> important. It is in the books on "Indian" fire building methods going 
>> back
>> yonks.
>>
>> I was not aware that everyone as not aware this is how to do it.
>>
>> Regards
>> Crispin
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On 
>> Behalf Of
>> neiltm at uwclub.net
>> Sent: 16-Nov-16 05:40
>> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves 
>> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Accidental TLUD technique discovery
>>
>> Crispin, I'm amazed by your scouting campfire experience, it bears
>> absolutely no relation to mine, where in both the troops I was in at
>> different times the fires whether for cooking or the sing song camp 
>> evening
>> fire were completely conventional bottom lit, the latter sometimes in a
>> tepee construction.  What you are describing, but probably on a larger
>> scale, seems to be what Paal Wendelbo described and that inspired 
>> him.  It
>> might be interesting to try to discover if old scouting literature 
>> describes
>> making fires this way.  Our cooking was in large oval cast iron 'dixies'
>> placed on top of sticks aligned in the direction of the wind 
>> hopefully.  The
>> most sophisticated thing we did was to roast large joints of pork, from
>> breakfast time to be ready at lunch time where a roasting tin with 
>> the joint
>> was placed on a bed of embers, a galvanised bath tub inverted over 
>> the whole
>> and sealed with ash and a fire from a separate pit brought over and 
>> placed
>> around the windward side and on top.
>>   Guaging the degree of cooking was by removing a pole from the 
>> corner of the
>> cook house shelter, placing the metal tip on the top of the bathtub 
>> and the
>> wooden end in an ear!  After 4 years of observing and helping in this
>> process you became sufficiently competent to take charge of it. We were
>> allowed half an hour leeway to bring the pork to the table, pork 
>> properly
>> cooked was more important than punctuality!
>>
>> So was the TLUD/CD fire common knowledge in Britain/Europe?  I never 
>> came
>> across it in the late 50s and sixties, or since.  Our scoutmaster was 
>> an ex
>> navy man, perhaps if he had been army?  There's some unwritten 
>> history here
>> surely?
>>
>> But I came across this through the second hit on a search for 'scout 
>> camp
>> fire instructions':
>>
>> https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/campfire-basics.html
>>
>> They call it the 'Upside down (pyramid)' (the fire being 'upside 
>> down', not
>> the pyramid!
>>
>> The girl guides also have it, but they don't really understand it, 
>> unless
>> yours had tinder at the bottom as well?:
>>
>> http://gscm.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/07-1137MasterOfTheCampfire.pdf 
>>
>>
>> "You can use several types of fire styl
>> es for a campfire. The PYRAMID starts
>> with a bottom layer of 4-6 inch diameter logs. Add subsequent layers of
>> smaller shorter logs. Fill the center with tinder and kindling and 
>> light the
>> fire on a small platform of sticks near the top. As it burns, the 
>> coals fall
>> in to the middle, helping the fire burn downward."
>>
>> wikihow.com don't know it
>>
>> http://scoutingmagazine.org/2016/02/how-to-build-the-best-campfire/
>>
>> don't list it
>>
>> It seems patchy, but I'm wondering if it simply became largely 
>> forgotten in
>> my day and has been revived a bit in more recent times?  It always 
>> amazes me
>> what my parents generation didn't seem to know.
>>
>> Best wishes,   Neil Taylor
>>
>>
>>
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