[Stoves] Burning homes, children, and spewing smokes from stoves (Was Biochar Proposal - Lloyd Helferty)

Sat Oct 29 21:02:25 CDT 2016

Nikhil,

I have always wondered whether smoke is the biggest culprit or the CO? Our
anecdotal data from working with the rural women is that they suffer a lot
from headaches. This could be a combination of stress and huge amounts of
CO from chulha. We still do not know how the slow CO poisining may affect
children and women. Incidentally ethanol stoves produce a huge amount of CO
and so they are not as clean as they are touted to be.

This article might throw some light on it.
http://nariphaltan.org/pranayam.pdf which was also published in Huffington
Post.
http://www.huffingtonpost.in/dr-anil-k-rajvanshi/how-pranayam-benefits-the-brain/

Cheers.

Anil

Nimbkar Agricultural Research Institute (NARI)
Tambmal, Phaltan-Lonand Road
P.O.Box 44
Phaltan-415523, Maharashtra, India
Ph:91-2166-220945/222842
e-mail:nariphaltan at gmail.com
           nariphaltan at nariphaltan.org

http://www.nariphaltan.org

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 10:52 PM, Traveller <miata98 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Moderator: I changed the subject line. The post on Dr Mortimer's work was
> as revealing as that earlier piece by a researcher at LBNL on stove
> testing.
> ----------------------------
> Wonderful. The Bollywood hero Big B - a spine TB survivor - opened this
> conference by video - Amitabh Bachchan opens the International Conference
> on Lung Health
> <http://www.biospectrumindia.com/biospecindia/news/224467/amitabh-bachchan-international-conference-lung-health> (Big
> Spectrum 27 October 2016). Maybe he will inaugurate Tier 4.7561 cookstove
> too.
>
> Seriously, this study makes me question the usefulness of the term "clean
> cookstoves" and the abuse of the concept of "risk factors" for "premature
> mortality".
>
> 1. The press release says, "The study found that while the cookstoves were
> well liked, required less fuel and were quicker to cook over, there was no
> effect on the risk of pneumonia."
>
> ** Should we be thinking of different attributes, desired by the user,
> than unit fuel consumption or so-called "energy efficiency", and "clean"
> (howsoever that is measured)? If the user wishes for something that is
> "quicker to cook over", and "clean" does not necessarily imply reduction in
> the incidence of a major disease - here, under-5 pneumonia - what is that
> stove designers pursue?
>
> Put bluntly, do we ignore burn and fire risks in order to save trees?
> "Burn the village in order to save it"??
>
> "Dr Mortimer will demonstrate the very real dangers of cooking with an
> open fire as miniaturised replica housing will be set alight."
>
> Do we need a respiratory consultant to show us the light? By fire?
>
> Why not junk the term "improved stove" or "efficient stove" or "advanced
> biomass stove" and think of something that the user wants and increases
> usability? Or, to repeat my mantra of "contextual design and promotion"?
>
> After all, "safe", "convenient", "usable" are context-specific terms.
>
> Are we in the business of saving children from burns or ... (I better keep
> mum like a child should). **
>
> 2. Dr Mortimer is quoted, "Household air pollution kills more than 4
> million people worldwide including half a million children who die from
> pneumonia."
>
> ** This is as misleading as the nonsense in WHO's Burning Opportunity
> about household cooking being a global health emergency. Doctors should
> know better. Attribution is not causality. HAP DOES NOT KILL DIRECTLY. All
> one can say is that for cohorts already dead, household air pollution is
> implicated as one of the risk factors in allocating premature mortality due
> to specific diseases. The exact numbers are cooked up, ranging from fine
> pies to burnt bread. Death statistics are imprecise. Allocation of each
> death to a single cause, and then allocating that cause to different risk
> factors, is statistical jiggerypokery plain and simple. Read my posts on
> EPA and Burnett et al. (2014) and the reference I posted earlier today to
> Naeher et al. 2007. Take science seriously, please.
>
> Abuse of science abounds. See American Academy of Pediatrics Links Global
> Warming to the Health of Children
> <https://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/pages/Global-Warming-Childrens-Health.aspx?nfstatus=401&nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3a+No+local+token> (26
> October 2015) and Global Climate Change and Children’s Health
> <http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/136/5/992> (AAP, November
> 2015) plus the references cited therein - Zhang et al. 2007 Climate
> Change and Disability-Adjusted Life Years
> <http://search.proquest.com/openview/237ae8d4bf9a2d8938cc8f8ce39efc3a/1?pq-origsite=gscholar> or
> even at WHO webpage Climate change and human health - risks and
> responses. Summary
> <http://www.who.int/globalchange/summary/en/index6.html> (seems to have
> been last revised in 2003) and the reference there "McMichael, A.J. et
> al. Climate Change. In: Comparative quantification of Health Risks", which
> I reviewed four years ago and (proud to say) trashed.
>
> The pathology of cite-o-logy passes as "science" these days. With all due
> respect to all these proud researchers, I ask that they - and anybody else
> who is interested - only go to read IPCC Working Group II report on health
> and even IHME report on Global Burden of Disease from 2010 on. Serious
> climate science or public health science has gone away from identifying
> "climate change" - leave alone "anthropogenic climate change" - as a
> measurable "risk factor", leave alone "cause" of mortality among children.
> (Dr Karve's earlier post today is instructive.)
>
> Science is politics. But there is political science of greater virtue -
> rooted in philosophy.
>
> Beware of academic pediatricians.  **
>
> 3. "Such a package will need to address issues including the burning of
> rubbish—a common source of smoke exposure in our study—and tobacco smoking
> which is an increasing problem even in the world's poorest and most
> vulnerable populations".
>
> ** Precisely. Now let's have ISO IWA flamboyant fliers and fretters for a
> fee do some testing of rubbish combustion. Sujoy was perceptive - Kolkata
> slum-dwellers burning plastic. I have discussed plastics and rubbish
> burning with folks who do meteorological modeling and burden of disease
> studies. Suffice it to say EPA and WHO don't care to know anything relevant
> and useful. **
>
>
> Nikhil
>
>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 18:39:52 -0400
>> From: Lloyd Helferty <lhelferty at sympatico.ca>
>> To: Entire Group <biocharstoves-95wgs at wiggiomail.com>
>> Cc: Jay Anand <jayrash at gmail.com>, "Dr. A.K.Sherief"
>>         <aksherief at gmail.com>,  Divine Ntiokam <ntiokam2 at gmail.com>,
>> Discussion
>>         of biomass cooking stoves <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Stoves] [biochar-stoves] Biochar Proposal
>> Message-ID: <72f7d3f1-0b5d-5ee1-3f0c-d5a2be6dcc1d at sympatico.ca>
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>> Thanks, Derick...
>>
>> This is Jay's proposal, however I did get a positive response from the
>> Director for the "Center for e - Learning" at the *Kerala Agricultural
>> University* (India), Dr. A.K. Sherief (CC'd), so it may be possible to
>> do something. [?]
>>
>>   Note: Dr. Sherief had been looking to collaborate with Universities
>> outside of India in *Tropical agriculture studies*.
>>
>> P.S. Members of the [Biochar Stoves] and the [Stoves] Lists (CC'd)
>> might, however, be interested in the results of this new study as well:
>>
>> http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-10-cookstoves-reduction-child.html
>>
>>
>>           October 26, 2016
>>
>>
>>   Clean cookstoves lead to 40% reduction in child burns
>>
>> Initial results from the Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine
>> (LSTM)-led Cooking and Pneumonia Study (CAPS) in Malawi indicate that
>> cooking with cleaner burning biomass-fuelled cookstoves reduced the risk
>> of burns in children under the age of five by over 40% compared to
>> traditional open fire cooking.
>>
>> The two year study was the largest of its kind anywhere in the world,
>> with more than 10,000 children enrolled across randomised villages in
>> Chikhwawa and Chilumba in Malawi. Half of the families involved were
>> given two cleaner burning cookstoves to see if the new stoves, which can
>> reduce emissions by up to 90%, would stop the children getting
>> pneumonia, a major cause of death in this group. The study found that
>> while the cookstoves were well liked, required less fuel and were
>> quicker to cook over, there was no effect on the risk of pneumonia.
>>
>> ...  The results of our study suggest that by themselves, cleaner
>> burning biomass-fuelled cookstoves are not sufficient to reduce the risk
>> of pneumonia in the under 5s. They do, however, appear to be
>> *substantially safer* by _reducing the risk of burns in young children_.
>>
>> *Provided by:*Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine
>> <http://medicalxpress.com/partners/liverpool-school-of-tropical-medicine/
>> >
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>    Lloyd Helferty, Engineering Technologist
>>    Principal, Biochar Consulting (Canada)
>>    www.biochar-consulting.ca
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>> --
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>> --
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>> --
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>> --
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>>    www.biochar-international.org
>>
>> "Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things
>> turn out."
>>   -John Wooden
>>
>> On 2016-10-27 12:37 AM, derick calderon wrote:
>> >
>> > Lloyd I have been working on a nice small Project but I still haven?t
>> > got it ready. I estimate about 4 months so I cannot assist you before
>> > the 10th.
>> >
>> > Best Wishes
>> >
>> > Derick
>> >
>> > Enviado desde Correo <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
>> > para Windows 10
>> >
>> > *De: *Lloyd Helferty <mailto:biocharstoves-95wgs at wiggiomail.com>
>> > *Enviado: *mi?rcoles, 26 de octubre de 2016 08:12 p. m.
>> > *Para: *biochar-stoves <mailto:biocharstoves-95wgs at wiggiomail.com>
>> > *Asunto: *[biochar-stoves] Biochar Proposal
>> >
>> > Jay,
>> >
>> > The deadline is 10 November 2016.  Is that really enough time to put
>> > together a full proposal?  What are you suggesting? Where?
>> >
>> > CC: biochar-stoves group
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> >
>> >    Lloyd Helferty
>> >
>> > On 2016-10-25 6:41 AM, jay Anand wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >             Dear Lloyd and Divine,
>> >
>> >     Herewith I have shared the weblink specifically for biochar....
>> >
>> >     *http://www.esrc.ac.uk/funding/funding-opportunities/esrc-
>> dfid-development-frontiers-research-fund-2016-17/http://
>> www.esrc.ac.uk/funding/funding-opportunities/greenhou
>> se-gas-removal-from-the-atmosphere/
>> >     - Biochar call, deadline is 10 November 2016.*
>> >
>> >     Can we participate together? Had already written to you on
>> >     Linkedin account.
>> >
>> >     Look forward to get your opinion on same, many thanks!
>> >
>> >
>> <snip>
>>
>> End of Stoves Digest, Vol 74, Issue 26
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>>
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