[Stoves] China and cookstoves [Was Re: A user-centered, iterative engineering approach for advanced biomass cookstove design and development]

[Nikhil Desai]

Paul:

Capital cost of the stove is a minor issue; the question is whether the
users like and use the stove. This is why contextual definitions matter,
because pellet production costs can vary greatly depending on the
feedstock.

A high capital cost stove can be given one-time subsidy - should be given
to the distributor if one exists; could be given to a bulk producer - on
the condition that the stoves are found useful and used. Metrics of
efficiency and hourly emission rates are just smoke.

I am glad to read "it is something about family, a cultural thing,
especially in country side." Gives the lie to physics-only theories of
supposed "stove science".

Nikhil


On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:

> Cheng and all,   (and a mention of Todd Albi).     see below.
>
> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
> Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072 <(309)%20452-7072>
> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>
> On 11/29/2017 10:15 PM, lh cheng wrote:
>
> Another Chinese little project. Surely, it is cookstove, not heater. Too
> expensive, 1500RMB (230 USD), in rural area, a big number, very big, no one
> buy, not even one, in rural area. For user, many uncertainties to use new
> type of stove. if free of charge, a trustworthy friend who is an expert
> about this stove, that might be fine.
>
> I was wondering about the price of that pellet burner stove.  Yes, it is
> expensive, but expensive is a relative term.   It could be imported into
> America where $230 is inexpensive, but the price here would be so much
> higher and it would then be expensive here.
>
>
> stove thing should be open-source ( just like Dr Anderson's Champion Stove
> ), DIY, or made by acquaintance, it is something about family, a cultural
> thing, especially in country side. In city, electricity or LPG is enough.
>
> Is there any prospect in China for DIY.   And what would be the acceptance
> of a stove made with thin metal?   Generalizing, it seems that heavy
> construction of stoves is the standard in China.   Todd Albi might be able
> to shed some light on this.
>
>
> a good approach for stove design maybe is that, basic knowledge of stove
> design spread among people, and people help each other.
>
> What do you have in mind?    in the context of China?   I have difficulty
> imagining stove design work in China outside of the factory context.
>
>
> concerning "stove intervention", during 1959-1961 in China, more than 30
> millions of people died because a stove intervention movement. and people
> have memories.
>
> Please provide more information about this statement about 30 million
> deaths.
>
> Welcome to the world of the Stoves Listserv.   We appreciate your insights.
>
> Paul
>
>
> best regards
>
>
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