[Stoves] Thai Bucket Stove nnd KCJ origin

Sun Dec 3 12:32:16 CST 2017

Teddy:

Of the references cited by Dan, I think two could be useful - Kinyanjui and
Minae, 1982; Openshaw, 1982.

I will try to track down Keith and Meta Systems folks involved in Thailand
work. Or wait till Robert recovers; may take months. He is critical but
stable.

Nikhil

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On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Cookswell Jikos <cookswelljikos at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Dr.
>
> I'm away from the office till later in the week but a short summary of the
> history of the KCJ can be found here http://kenyacharcoal.
> blogspot.co.ke/2009/09/kinyanjui-jikos-wholesale-shop.html?m=1 courtesy
> of Dr. Daniel Kammen from STEP.
>
> Unfortunate to hear of Roberts malaria, please wish him the best and if
> he'd like when he's out I'd be very happy to organise with our European KCJ
> distribution agent (www.cookswell.eu) could bring him a nice hot pot of
> jiko cooked pea soup.
>
> Best,
>
> Teddy
>
> On 3 Dec 2017 6:22 pm, "Paul Anderson" <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Nikhil,
>>
>> I hope that Teddy Kinyanjui of Cookwell stoves in Kenya can respond about
>> the inspiraton for the KCJ (mentioned below).  Teddy's father was the
>> originator/developer in Kenya many years ago.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
>> Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072 <(309)%20452-7072>
>> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>>
>> On 12/3/2017 12:24 AM, Nikhil Desai wrote:
>>
>> Crispin:
>>
>> Could be ESMAP funding, for followup on earlier USAID work .
>>
>> One 1993 paper
>> <http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.362.7044&rep=rep1&type=pdf> that
>> van der Plas was a co-author to only mentions "In Thailand, improved stoves
>> development started in the private sector; this is true of other countries
>> in Asia as well." It refers to several ESMAP-funded stove projects in
>> Thailand. (Annes 2: Projects Surveyed for Study.)
>>
>> This seems to be the most widely cited paper on the subject of what makes
>> biomass stoves usable and used, but it is nearly 25 years ago. So much for
>> the due diligence of the stove program financiers.
>>
>> I had no idea that it was the inspiration for Kenyan Ceramic Jiko (KCJ),
>> as reported here
>> <https://www.princeton.edu/%7Emauzeral/wws402f_s03/JP.Shena.Elrington.pdf>:
>> " The original design for the KCJ was inspired by an improved stove used
>> throughout Thailand. This stove, the ‘Thai bucket,’ has an insulating liner
>> composed of ceramic that was cemented from the top to the bottom of the... "
>>
>> Reducing Indoor Air Pollution in Africa: A Review of Two Successful
>> Intervention Programs and Recommendations for Future Intervention Efforts
>> Shena M. Elrington May 2, 2003. Looks like a student paper for WWS 402f:
>> Sustainable Development- Can We Do It? Prof. Denise L. Mauzerall.
>>
>> I made an interesting discovery -- according to this
>> <https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/7385282/improved-biomass-cooking-stove-for-household-use-pdf-101-mb->
>> 1982 paper submitted to the National Energy Administration, the Thai bucket
>> stove is thought to have originated in China and could have been brought to
>> Thailand a thousand years earlier (p. 33-34).
>>
>> The report also says (p. 44) that Meta Systems Inc. Thai Group reviewed
>> efficiency of various Thai bucket stoves in 1982. I was at Meta Systems in
>> 1980-1 and learned my biomass balance work and cookstoves projects there. I
>> probably know some folks who worked on that project.
>>
>> I think the recommendations of this report 35 years ago (on p. 241-2) are
>> still relevant.
>>
>> Reinventing the wheel keeps subsequent generations employed in the good
>> cause.
>>
>>
>> Nikhil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
>> crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Friends
>>>
>>> The Thai Bucket Stove was designed by Robert van der Plas in 1982. Does
>>> anyone know who funded that development? Did he do it as part of a project,
>>> or on his own?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Crispin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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