[Stoves] Thai Bucket Stove
Paul Anderson
psanders at ilstu.edu
Tue Dec 5 11:15:23 CST 2017
Tom,
There was a clear transition going on at the final PCIA Forum that was
held in Lima Peru in 2011, during the overlap of the two timeframes.
Paul
Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: psanders at ilstu.edu
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On 12/5/2017 11:09 AM, Tom Miles wrote:
>
> Thanks. That’s the time frame I remember.
>
> I’m looking forward to ETHOS in January.
>
> Tom
>
> *From:* Derby, Elisa [mailto:ederby at winrock.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 05, 2017 8:53 AM
> *To:* Tom Miles <tmiles at trmiles.com>; ndesai at alum.mit.edu; 'Ronal W.
> Larson' <rongretlarson at comcast.net>
> *Cc:* 'Crispin Pemberton-Pigott' <crispinpigott at outlook.com>;
> 'Discussion of biomass' <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>; 'Paul
> Anderson' <psanders at ilstu.edu>
> *Subject:* RE: [Stoves] Thai Bucket Stove
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> PCIA was 2003-2012. The Alliance was launched in 2010.
>
> Best,
>
> Elisa
>
> *From:* Tom Miles [mailto:tmiles at trmiles.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, December 4, 2017 9:42 PM
> *To:* Derby, Elisa <ederby at winrock.org <mailto:ederby at winrock.org>>;
> ndesai at alum.mit.edu <mailto:ndesai at alum.mit.edu>; 'Ronal W. Larson'
> <rongretlarson at comcast.net <mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net>>
> *Cc:* 'Crispin Pemberton-Pigott' <crispinpigott at outlook.com
> <mailto:crispinpigott at outlook.com>>; 'Discussion of biomass'
> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> <mailto:stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>>; 'Paul Anderson'
> <psanders at ilstu.edu <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>>
> *Subject:* RE: [Stoves] Thai Bucket Stove
>
> Elisa,
>
> When did PCIA start and end and when did GACC start?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
> *From:* Derby, Elisa [mailto:ederby at winrock.org]
> *Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 6:06 PM
> *To:* ndesai at alum.mit.edu <mailto:ndesai at alum.mit.edu>; Ronal W.
> Larson <rongretlarson at comcast.net <mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net>>
> *Cc:* Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <crispinpigott at outlook.com
> <mailto:crispinpigott at outlook.com>>; Tom Miles <tmiles at trmiles.com
> <mailto:tmiles at trmiles.com>>; Discussion of biomass
> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> <mailto:stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>>; Paul Anderson
> <psanders at ilstu.edu <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>>
> *Subject:* RE: [Stoves] Thai Bucket Stove
>
> Hmmm, I wasn’t involved in this and the person who might know the
> background (and have a copy) is on vacation this week—I’ll check on
> this next week. This does not look like a final published report to
> me—it would have different branding/marking, and would reference the
> agreement number (which would also help me locate where it came from),
> and it would also be publicly accessible on USAID’s Development
> Clearing House. Who/what is scribd.com?
>
> Here’s the full consumer research link:
> http://designlab360.org/washpluscookstovetoolkit/
>
> (Developed under the USAID-funded WASHplus project on which Winrock
> was a sub to FHI360)
>
> Best,
>
> Elisa
>
> *From:* Nikhil Desai [mailto:pienergy2008 at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, December 4, 2017 6:25 PM
> *To:* Ronal W. Larson <rongretlarson at comcast.net
> <mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net>>
> *Cc:* Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <crispinpigott at outlook.com
> <mailto:crispinpigott at outlook.com>>; Tom Miles <tmiles at trmiles.com
> <mailto:tmiles at trmiles.com>>; Discussion of biomass
> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> <mailto:stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>>; Paul Anderson
> <psanders at ilstu.edu <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>>; Derby, Elisa
> <ederby at winrock.org <mailto:ederby at winrock.org>>
> *Subject:* Re: [Stoves] Thai Bucket Stove
>
> Ron:
>
> I am cc'ing Elisa Derby if she can track down a pdf of the Rwanda
> document on the web or distribute it to us. I couldn't find it on
> USAID or Winrock website. It is indeed a good report, from around the
> time I last went to Rwanda and was hounded out.
>
>
> I wonder where the GEF report got the number 9 kg wood per kg of
> charcoal. Might have been me from some hearsay; don't take it
> seriously and don't worry about the gorillas. Rwanda government is
> making enough money from gorilla tourism and poverty tourism to
> protect the forests.
>
> Until Robert van der Plas did a biomass energy strategy (BEST) report
> circa 2006 for EUEI, I had no information on what was going on in
> charcoal-making. There was a factory on the then-outskirts of Kigali
> whose charcoal use was banned, otherwise wood use in tea factories
> faced no problem of supply.
>
> If I remember correctly, Robert's report to the World Bank in 2004
> (which apparently didn't get to GEF) took the view that charcoal was
> sustainably supplied from private trees. Waste from forest cutting
> during the non-genocide killings of 1994 might have had lower
> efficiency of charcoaling, and no doubt land clearance for agriculture
> and infrastructure, real estate also played some part in forest loss.
>
> Charcoal is not a depleting resource. Period. What makes people grow
> trees for charcoal should have been reported on by Robert's paper with
> Doug Barnes, Keith Openshaw and Kirk Smith after their 1994 paper, but
> evidently they did not care about sustainable growth of biomass.
>
>
> I was glad to see that unlike secretive operations like UNF, Winrock
> publishes a detailed annual report
> <https://www.winrock.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/20171024-WI-Annual-Report-2016.pdf>.
> As expected, Winrock is basically a USAID contractor. I don't know how
> much of Winrock stoves work is funded by USAID vs. USEPA. In recent
> activities, it is USEPA behind cookstove design
> <https://www.winrock.org/project/improving-cookstove-design-around-the-world/> whereas
> USAID behind consumer research on cooking
> <https://www.winrock.org/project/advancing-clean-cooking-through-consumer-research/>,
> cookstove distribution
> <https://www.winrock.org/document/advanced-biomass-cookstove-distribution/>,
> and use <http://www.ghspjournal.org/content/ghsp/2/3/268.full.pdf>.
> You might like the September 2017 report on distribution.
>
> Crispin is evidently wrong that USAID stopped doing stoves work. It
> seems USAID just doesn't bother with EPA/WHO rigmarole.
>
> Nikhil
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Ronal W. Larson
> <rongretlarson at comcast.net <mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> Nikhil et al: (Adding Paul)
>
> 1. Looks like a good report. I wish I had time to do more than
> skim. Winrock has a long history with stoves. We are very
> fortunate that they remain involved with GACC and EPA.
>
> 2. The most interesting paragraph for me was this at the
> beginning (p25) of Annex 1, noting the factor of 9 (*_nine!_*) in
> the efficient use of a diminishing resource. (Sorry that I had to
> use a screen shot, as the publishers prohibited a simple copy)
>
> 3. The charcoal stoves are reported to have an efficiency of
> about 1/3. But (including the energy density differences of 18
> and 30 MJ/kg), the real efficiency expressed by this factor of 9
> is about 5 or 6 %!
>
> 4. 5 or 6 % is unacceptable everywhere but especially in
> Rwanda. See what pops up (Gorilla deaths in first place) when you
> google for “charcoal legality Rwanda”. The outlawing of charcoal
> occurred in 2004 - before this report.
>
> 5. Rwanda (and other countries) could help itself by saying that
> sale of charcoal needed proof (when and where) that there had been
> productive use of the pyrolysis gases. Costs should also go down
> - not up. Employment should go up as wood is prepared.
>
> Ron
>
> On Dec 4, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Nikhil Desai
> <pienergy2008 at gmail.com <mailto:pienergy2008 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Crispin, Tom:
>
> If ITDG was involved, Stephen Joseph and possibly Ray Holland
> may remember.
>
> I found an impressive Winrock report for USAID -
> IMPLEMENTATION PLAN FOR INCREASING THE ADOPTION AND USE OF
> EFFICIENTCHARCOAL COOKSTOVES IN URBAN ANDPERI-URBAN KIGALI
> <https://www.scribd.com/document/54889270/Implementation-Plan-for-Increasing-the-Adoption-and-Use-of-Efficient-Charcoal-Cookstoves-in-Urban-and-Peri-Urban-Kigali> (Winrock
> for USAID 2007).
>
> It states, "In the late 1980s CARE helped a Rwandan
> entrepreneur to produce and market the KCJ under the local
> name canamaké. CARE only promoted the stove for about a year
> in Rwanda. After the CAREproject ended, the Rwanda
> entrepreneur continued production of the canamaké stove
> (ESMAP, 1991)."
>
> This comports with my memory from what Robert told me while
> wandering in Kigali market in 2004. I think he started the
> reported ESMAP activity in Kigali but stopped in 1994 after
> the genocide until we went together in 2004. I became a target
> of Kagame's internal security and intelligence apparatus, but
> Robert continued and produced some other reports, including
> some mentioned in this Winrock report that also has some
> history of stove projects at the end.
>
> I will try to locate the writer of this report.
>
> Nikhil
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
> <crispinpigott at outlook.com <mailto:crispinpigott at outlook.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Tom for the great additions.
>
> In the early stage of the IKJ it was apparent that the
> ceramic component was going to be the major hurdle. The
> acknowledgements page in the 1983 report by Maxwell
> Kinyanjui and Laurie Childers has this:
>
> <image001.png>
>
> That says there was an educational tour to Thailand.
>
> Hugh Allen was hired by ATI (Washington) but I am not
> clear if he started with CARE or ended up with them. In
> his book “The Kenyan Ceramic Jiko – A manual for stove
> makers” (IT Publications, 1991) he says the production
> system present was developed between 1986-1988. The book
> is contained in the AT Microfiche Library from Volunteers
> in Asia. IT Publications, ATI and CARE are credited for
> the book.
>
> I think Hugh was a ceramics engineer because he had
> studied ceramics under the son of world famous Bernard
> Leach – the British Potter. Hugh told me the reason he was
> contracted to work on the stove was the difficulty in
> getting reliable results from the kilns: losses of
> something like 40% were normal in the firing.
>
> He developed the low tech Jigger Jolly and forming tools,
> standardized the hole pattern and gave comprehensive
> instructions about how to develop the clay content and
> fire them. He introduced dome-topped kilns and spread the
> production technology to the Sudan, Uganda, Tanzania,
> Togo, Malawi and Rwanda. In short he “professionalized”
> the product, bringing firing losses down to 3%. Later he
> led the same type of exercise with the Bielenberg
> sunflower oil press which inspired me greatly.
>
> Footnote 2 reads:
>
> <image002.jpg>
>
> Regards
>
> Crispin
>
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