[Stoves] News: On-the-ground research reveals true impact of cook-stove emissions in India

[Nikhil Desai]

Crispin:

SELF isn't what it used to be under Neville Williams. The last I heard,
about ten years ago, it is still a charity, though.

Lest you get enamored of other fictions and lose track of reality, let me
point out that accepting your standard - "Proposed mitigations require an
articulated theory of change so proofs can be made and effectiveness
judged. - would mean walking away from the so-called Paris Accord and its
"Carbon Budget".

It IS Christmas. Let's declare truce.

Peace on earth and best wishes to you all!

Nikhil


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On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 2:06 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:

> Dear Ron
>
> If you can’t be bother to read one of the first PhD theses by someone
> investigating stove test methods and impacts of emissions, how will you
> even understand what Nikhil is talking about?
>
> >[RWL3   I met Grant in Johannesburg in 2002 and probably read it then,
> because I thought he looked quite knowledgeable  I stopped reading the
> Thesis this time after the first two sentences…
>
> As Nikhil has pointed out repeatedly, you can’t discuss what you have not
> read.
>
> >How about giving one or two sentences that supports your reading of this
> thesis?
>
> Why? You won’t read it for ideological reasons.
>
> >Shall we waste Grant’s time by asking him whether he supports your
> version of stove health issues?
>
> Sure. Let’s ask him.
>
> >I also can’t believe you are asking me to go Kirk’s website to prove
> something on stove health issues that supports your non-causation, anti-WHO
> theory.
>
> Nikhil is not against the WHO. He is against untestable claims supported
> by defective models and invalid arguments. So am I. That’s why we are both
> critics of metrics that are selected on the basis of ideological
> convenience or, in the case of the IWA,  ass-covering. Nikhil does not have
> a theory of non-causation – you made that up – it is the WHO and EPA that
> have an untested theory of causation. WHO’s theory is based on an other
> theory of equitoxicity (EPA) and instant homogeneous distribution of PM
> (Berkeley) from stove fires, something contradicted by the WHO’s own
> internal discussions record and model testing.
>
> Those making claims have a responsibility to provide proof of their
> theories of causation. Proposed mitigations require an articulated theory
> of change so proofs can be made and effectiveness judged.  The theory that
> replacing wood stoves with LPG stoves reduces exposure to PM2.5 in poor
> communities has so far shown that the ambient PM2.5 dominates any exposure
> to stove smoke. That is valuable, because it may be far cheaper and more
> effective to control ambient air pollution that to supply KPG stoves and
> fuel indefinitely.
>
> >>4.  The reason I don't like the IWA metrics of efficiency and PM2.5 is,
> there is no statement of the problem and there is no theory of change.
> Prove me the alleged worldwide deforestation and desertification, climate
> change, ill health, and sexual violence caused by inefficient and smoky use
> of solid fuels.
>
> >RWL4:   Please cite something anybody ever said to support that really
> curious argument.
>
> Well I can do that easily. Here below is a recent appeal (yesterday) from
> the Solar Electric Light Fund that has it all in one appeal for money:
> Hollywood, hatred for Harvey Weinstein, AIDS, fear of the dark, women as
> perpetual victims of perpetual predator men, saviour stoves, dreaded solid
> fuels, leaving the foxhole to cross no man's land in desperate need of
> water, hints of child molestation and abuse, and never forget to mention
> that continent of despair: 'Africa', after all, it’s Christmas.
>
> Ron, you shall hereinafter never again claim or even hint that stoves are
> not promoted using, “that really curious argument”. They are. It is not
> ‘curious’, it is obscene.
>
> Regards
> Crispin
>
>
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