[Stoves] Indonesia stove accomplishments, and LPG subsidy .... was..Re: Please help locate people

Thu Feb 23 22:42:41 CST 2017

Dear Iwan,

My questions are in my original message (below).  The other three have 
also made contact and a response has been assured for next week.

What was accomplished in Indonesia is very encouraging.  And also shows 
that additional solutions can be considered.   My main comment is that 
the higher priced clean stoves were excluded in the Indonesis RBF 
program, but could be quite important parts of the solutions in other 
circumstances, such as when there are carbon credits to help finance the 
efforts.

Would you please write to us (the Stoves Listserv) about your thoughts 
and role as a "Biomass Energy Promotion Practitioner". And include the 
scope of your efforts and what needs to be done with such work.  
Personally I am especially interested in your thoughts about

1.  TLUD and other micro-gasifier stoves.
2.  The role of LPG in light of the massive subsidies needed to attain 
and maintain LPG stoves/fuel for impoverished households. The 
presentation you made says (slide 3):
> . Cost to national budget of 3 kg LPG subsidy is not trivial 
> anymore:   Was IDR 48 Trillion (~ USD 3.2 Billion) in 2014, or half of 
> electricity subsidies and close to 0.5% GDP .
And that is based on about 60 million LPG stove/cylinder free 
distribution to poor households.   [And there are still many millions of 
households with bad or mediocre ICS stoves.]

How long can that LPG assistance last?   The words "sustainable" and 
"renewable" do not appear with the discussions about LPG. (Comments from 
others are also welcome.)

Paul

Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  www.drtlud.com

On 2/23/2017 8:00 PM, Y. Iwan BASKORO wrote:
> hi Paul,
> I am here in the list.
> What can I do for you?
>
> best,
> iwan baskoro
>
> On Feb 23, 2017 8:37 PM, "Paul Anderson" <psanders at ilstu.edu 
> <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>> wrote:
>
>     Stovers,
>
>     I am trying to reach each of the men named below:   Zhang, Durix,
>     Baskoro and Dong.  associated with a recent (undated, but probably
>     late-2016) conference presentation:
>
>>     TOWARD UNIVERSAL ACCESS TO CLEAN COOKING
>>     INDONESIA CLEAN STOVE INITIATIVE
>>     Prepared by
>>     Yabei ZHANG (Task Team Leader)
>>     &
>>     Laurent DURIX (Co-Task Team Leader)
>>     Presented by
>>     Yohanes Iwan Baskoro
>>     Biomass Energy Promotion Practitioner
>>     at 2016 Forum of Renewable Energy Promotion in Developing Countries
>>     Beijing, People’s Republic of China
>     The chairman of the Forum was Dr.  Renjie Dong
>
>     This is an extremely interesting and valuable 27-slide PowerPoint
>     presentation that I read last night.  I am trying to determine the
>     following:
>
>     1.  Is this presentation available on the Internet?  Will it be,
>     by whom?
>     2.  If not available, can I have permission to place it at one of
>     my websites and announce its availability?
>
>     3.  What are the email contacts for these men?
>     4.  Who has access to the data / results that are summarized in
>     the presentation?  Especially, who has control of the results of
>     the testing of the thirty stoves (out of over 50 stoves submitted)
>     that are reported in slides 18 to 22?
>
>     5.  Of the 30 stoves tested, 14 are shown with results on slide
>     19.  16 others were not reported.
>
>     6.  In particular, on slide 22, is the following:
>     "The cleanest and most efficient stoves could not be made
>     available [in Indonesia's RBF - Results Based Financing -
>     incentive program] (too expensive for international and production
>     issues for the Indonesians [stoves])"
>
>     7.  In my opinion, this is extremely valuable data, paid for by
>     the World Bank and others, that have not been released, not even
>     (as far as I can determine) to the companies that had a stove in
>     that group of 16.   That data should be released, at least to the
>     companies that submitted stoves.
>
>     8.  Note:  On slide 19 showing the 14 included stoves, the price
>     range is from ~US$ 8.50 (two stoves) to ~US$ 17 (five stoves).  
>     Clearly, any stove costing more than US$20 was virtually excluded,
>     regardless of its performance.   For many of those "international
>     stoves", merely the shipping costs could have made them
>     non-competitive in the Indonesia program.   NOTE:  This is NOT a
>     criticism of the Indonesian efforts, which actually should be
>     highly commended.
>
>     9.  And now as of 2016, we know from the Deganga Case Study (
>     drtlud.com/deganga2016 <http://drtlud.com/deganga2016> ) that a
>     TLUD stove that costs US$32 at the factory in India (no
>     international shipping charges in this case) can actually be sold
>     to many thousands of people for only $15 in projects with carbon
>     credit assistance.   With carbon credit assistance, that stove
>     could have been a major participant in the Indonesia efforts, and
>     could have begun production in Indonesia by now.  Lost opportunities.
>
>     So, please help me get the cited presentation available for all of
>     you to read, and to have clear contact with the people in
>     Indonesia who can provide the requested data.
>
>     By the way, the presentation also has extremely interesting
>     information about Indonesia's LPG stove project with 54 million
>     (by 2012, so now maybe 60+ million) packages of stove and LPG
>     cylinder distributed for free.
>
>     Paul
>
>     -- 
>     Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>     Email:psanders at ilstu.edu <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>
>     Skype:   paultlud    Phone:+1-309-452-7072 <tel:%28309%29%20452-7072>
>     Website:www.drtlud.com <http://www.drtlud.com>
>
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