[Stoves] Carbon credits for biochar

Paul Anderson psanders at ilstu.edu
Wed Jan 11 23:25:55 CST 2017


Ron, A.D., and Frank, and Brian Lewis (and all)   (combining responses 
from both Biochar and Stoves Listservs.)

Ron, I am not quite ready to sell them yet.   It will be via one of my 
websites and to a regulated Not-For-Profit corporation.   I need another 
week or two.   And the proceeds all go to TLUD stove projects that are 
generating the credits.   Does not go to general TLUD stove projects 
that are outside of the closely monitored TLUD carbon credit projects.

Frank,  I am preparing explanations abour carbon credits, so my reply is 
delayed.

A. D.,   Your question is about the role of charcoal in soils is the 
subject of the Biochar Listserv (you replied from the Stoves 
Listserv.).   Please see the Biochar Listserv archives or subscribe there.

Brian,  Thanks for your comment supporting higher value (Carbon credit 
price) for carbon credits that come from TLUD cookstoves.   I am 
starting with US$10 per carbon credit from regular emission reductions 
such as reduced wood fuel usage, and asking for 2 CC for the char 
equivalent.   All to be explained within 2 weeks, before the ETHOS 
conference.

Thanks for writing.

Paul

Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  www.drtlud.com

On 1/11/2017 10:34 PM, Ronal W. Larson wrote:
> Paul: cc 2 lists
>
> Sorry for delayed response.  Missed that you were looking for one.  I 
> am pleased that you are doing this.  I will sign up for some air 
> flight mitigation.  Where do I go?
>
> Ron
>
>> On Jan 11, 2017, at 9:27 PM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu 
>> <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello?? Hello?????   Anybody home?????
>>
>> I sent the message below three days ago.   It is about financing of 
>> cookstoves and about carbon credit recognition for charcoal in to 
>> soil (biochar).   I thought that this was an important topic.   Maybe 
>> I did not write clearly.
>>
>> Thus far I have receive exactly ONE reply, and it was off-list.  
>> Additional replies would be appreciated, whether pro or con or neutral.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>> Email:psanders at ilstu.edu
>> Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>> Website:www.drtlud.com
>> On 1/9/2017 12:50 AM, Paul Anderson wrote:
>>> Frank, Stovers, and Charists.
>>>
>>> I am responding to Frank's question that is below.
>>>
>>> No carbon credits are given for biochar because that is the way the 
>>> current carbon credit system is structured for that Deganga project 
>>> (link is given below).  That is beyond the control of that project.
>>>
>>> HOWEVER, I am organizing a similar Champion TLUD stove project in 
>>> East Darjeeling District, West Bengal, India (exactly on the border 
>>> with Bhutan).  That project has new rules about its carbon credits.  
>>> And I am stating that the incorporation of biochar into soils is 
>>> eligible for carbon credits.  I will be presenting this at the ETHOS 
>>> session Saturday evening 28 January. in the Seattle area.
>>>
>>> Note:  Carbon credits are essentially an intangible commodity that 
>>> can be linked to specific acts, such as the irreversible, scattered 
>>> burial of appropriate carbon into soil.  Will someone pay to have 
>>> that char-burial (making it unburnable) occur?   THAT is the same as 
>>> paying for voluntary carbon credits.
>>>
>>> When (not if) that "unburnableness" of char is possible in a 
>>> reasonably documented manner, would someone pay for that to happen?  
>>> I think that some people will A) pay for the carbon-negative burial 
>>> of the equivlaent of 1 tCO2; or B) pay to have biochar into soil; or 
>>> C) pay to accomplish both A and B; or D) pay as a donation to a real 
>>> biochar project in an impoverished country; or E) pay for any other 
>>> reason (such as "they like Paul Anderson.")
>>>
>>> It takes about 250 kg (quarter ton) of dry un-treated (raw) biochar 
>>> to make 1 tonne CO2eq., and that amount of char comes from 1 TLUD 
>>> stove used daily in one household during one year (based on India 
>>> field data, not just laboratory calculations).  I think that such an 
>>> amount that is PERMANENTLY SEQUESTERED should be worth TWO carbon 
>>> credits, but that will need to be debated and resolved.
>>>
>>> I intend to place that amount of char on the market for US$20, being 
>>> the price for EITHER one Biochar Credit or two Carbon Credits.  I 
>>> think that is a fair price.   What do you think?  Can the price be 
>>> higher?
>>>
>>> The East Darjeeling project will also be selling single Carbon 
>>> Credits for $10.
>>>
>>> Will anyone purchase it (as 2 carbon credits and they do not care 
>>> about the char as long as it is made unburnable) (or as one biochar 
>>> credit) and donate it to a serious biochar project in the local area?
>>>
>>> THAT is a serious question.   And I ask it to everyone who is 
>>> reading this email.  $20 for biochar.  And there will be tens of 
>>> thousands of those "Biochar Credits" every year.
>>>
>>> Remember, this is BOTH a Biochar Listserv topic (obviously) AND a 
>>> Stoves Listserv topic (as it relates to how to finance the stoves 
>>> that we want to disseminate.)   To be discussed on the lists separately.
>>>
>>> I will be discussing this further, providing information as fast as 
>>> I can.  I will see your responses, but I have work to do and will 
>>> let others lead the discussions / debates.     (Please be sure that 
>>> all discussants have read the Deganga TLUD report.   Otherwise, the 
>>> above statements and their comments will not make sense.)
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>>> Email:psanders at ilstu.edu
>>> Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>>> Website:www.drtlud.com
>>> On 1/8/2017 11:08 PM, Frank Shields wrote:
>>>> Thanks Paul,
>>>> I searched for the Deganga study and found it to be interesting. 
>>>> One statement in the report i do not understand:
>>>>
>>>> "3. The produced TLUD char cannot generate credits if it is burned 
>>>> by the household or used as biochar for soil amending.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> “cannot generate credits if it is burned by the household” - thats 
>>>> makes sense.
>>>> “or used as biochar for soil amending”? - that makes NO sense.
>>>>
>>>> Amazing number of hurtles that you must have overcome to set the 
>>>> program in motion.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.drtlud.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/TLUD-Case-Study-Deganga-2016-09-30.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>> Frank Shields
>>>> Gabilan Laboratory
>>>> Keith Day Company, Inc.
>>>> 1091 Madison Lane
>>>> Salinas, CA  93907
>>>> (831) 246-0417 cell
>>>> (831) 771-0126 office
>>>> fShields at keithdaycompany.com <mailto:fShields at keithdaycompany.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> franke at cruzio.com <mailto:franke at cruzio.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 8, 2017, at 8:43 PM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu 
>>>>> <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Deganga study
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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