[Stoves] Steam cooking (Re: Frans)

[Frank Shields]

Ron

That may very well be true. But that means there is no way to determine the best stove for a location from a list. At least no affordable way. So sales are based on the Old Boys (and Gals) Club. And also; There is no real research going on that could take these small stoves to a new level. With new research equipment and new ideas I think not exploring this would be sad. : (     Unless we are thinking these small biomass stoves will become obsolete in the near future (PV cells and electric cooktops) I suggest we are obligated to continue to research for cleaner and better stoves. 

Regards

Frank 






> On Jan 26, 2017, at 8:13 PM, rongretlarson at comcast.net wrote:
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> List,  cc Nikhil
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>     I submit this is both a first for this list and a best explanation of Nikhil's stove outlook: 
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> "Another reason the good old performance metrics of fuel consumption and emission rates need to be junked. What matters is how the stoves are used in practice, not what some fanatics come up with in labs. "
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>      Who agrees with Nikhil?   I'll report (possibly tomorrow) from ETHOS on the views there of the "lab fanatics"
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> Ron
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> From: "Traveller" <miata98 at gmail.com>
> To: "Frans Peeters" <peetersfrans at telenet.be>
> Cc: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:32:07 PM
> Subject: [Stoves] Steam cooking (Re: Frans)
> 
> Frans: 
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> Thank you for bringing up steam cooking. Is "ambient steam cooking" different from "pressure steam cooking"? 
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> Liquid/gas fuel stoves with pressure cookers transformed the lives of about a billion cooks so far. 
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> I cannot say the same of biomass household stoves, but it should be possible. 
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> I find your "1 kg wood = 4 kWh" incomprehensible. That's just energy content. Delivered to pot, who knows? 
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> I think the bigger point is, even a biomass stove that facilitates use of pressure cookers makes a huge difference in time and energy spent. 
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> Another reason the good old performance metrics of fuel consumption and emission rates need to be junked. What matters is how the stoves are used in practice, not what some fanatics come up with in labs. 
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> Nikhil
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> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 13:59:16 +0100
> From: "Frans Peeters " <peetersfrans at telenet.be <mailto:peetersfrans at telenet.be>>
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> HALLO JUDI AND STOVERS
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>    Ambient steam coockers  are of 800-900 watt el Power used 30 minuts for cooking !
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> For a dual meal  less than 0,5 KWh is used = 0,12 ?    or 0,06$ / meal  about
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> 1Kg wood=4KWh
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> 0,25 KWh=62gram wood/meal should be possible with low losses .
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> Regards
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> Frans
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> Verzonden: woensdag 25 januari 2017 8:44
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Thanks

Frank
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