[Stoves] Biomass stoves v. PV-induction cooking (re: Frank)

Traveller miata98 at gmail.com
Sat Jan 28 10:08:03 CST 2017


Cecil:

I know next to nothing about ETHOS; do I need to know more or less?

I am sure all those road warriors show perfect kalos kagathos. And remember
patheir mathos.

The glib and the gullible stay close together.

Nikhil




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On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 5:52 PM, <cec1863 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Friend NIkhil,
>
> Playing‎ with your words is it ETHOS or EGOTHOS ?
>
> In spiritual or philosophical terms Nikhil are not the ETHOS folks
> suffering from a strange sort of identity theft....due to a profound
> failure to recognize that human beings are the primary agents at the core
> of all things cultural and therefore it is our common humanity that is the
> metaphoric missing ingredient in their approach to the study of stoves
> stoves..... and stoves are inherently  homo-centric cultural constructs
> beginning with the 3 Stone Fire.
>
> Maybe it's something like that: we need the simple minded courage to put
> our common humanity back into the center of our scientific study of stoves!
>
> Cecil the Bemused
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> *From: *Traveller
> *Sent: *Saturday, January 28, 2017 12:42 AM
> *To: *Frank Shields
> *Reply To: *miata98 at gmail.com
> *Cc: *Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> *Subject: *Re: [Stoves] Biomass stoves v. PV-induction cooking (re: Frank)
>
> Frank:
>
> The stumbling block to progress are irrelevant performance metrics - fuel
> consumption and emission rates for, heavens, BOILING WATER!
>
> Electricity and gas folks are skewered by ultra-Greens for their
> fuel-cycle GHG emissions, just to make sure the earth is balanced on the
> backs of the poor.
>
> But they had an advantage - the purportedly "exhaustible" fuels were used
> some four times over what was supposedly "left in the ground" in 1970 and
> the purportedly "renewable biomass" was costly, inaccessible, or had better
> uses. (Even that 1909 Journal of Home Economics article said there are
> superior uses of wood in America than burning it in the hearth.)
>
> Unless the biomass folks stop obsessing over bean-counting and
> manufacturing "co-benefits" in health, climate, livelihoods and women's
> empowerment - in other words, unless they get their heads out of the
> firebox and put ":cook" back in "cookstoves", they will keep arguing among
> themselves.
>
> After all, they seem to want to ensure that their egos are sufficiently
> fed. The ethos of ETHOS, I might say.
>
> I am tempted to put a slogan below my signature - "Usable Stoves Suited to
> Contexts", or USSC. Think I will raise $300+ million? :-)
>
> Nikhil
>
>
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>
>
> On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 6:11 AM, Frank Shields <franke at cruzio.com> wrote:
>
>> My only point was that at the rate and direction we Stovers are heading
>> the pv  people, no matter how many years, will likely solve the problem
>> before we do regarding smoke.
>> Frank
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
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