[Stoves] "Char-MAKING stoves" - Haiiti and elsewhere

[Nikhil Desai]

Paul:

That char burning stoves has been a disaster for Haiti or any other country
is one of those well-marketed myths.

All a people has to do is grow more biomass - or use waste biomass - and
turn it into charcoal.

Whether in a kiln or a TLUD stove.

Haiti has had a thriving charcoal industry for ages, I hear. The whole
industry could be improved, not just stoves.

As I mentioned a few months ago, Haiti has become a poster child for
deforestation, supposedly from charcoal. My sense over the years - yes,
only based on news items and World Bank reports - is that Haitians grow the
charcoal they need, and it is becoming more expensive. They don't re-grow
their forests because they don't see any gains from doing so.

Yes, charcoal-USING stoves that are more efficient in energy use may save
people money. Whether they can make more money by selling char produced by
home stoves or restaurant stoves, or by growing more trees and making
charcoal in the farms and the fields, I don't know. I see LPG, electricity
and perhaps even solar - Chef Jose Andres said something about solar
cooking in Haiti a few months ago, I think - making inroads in the cooking
market. While some cooking is outsourced, I also see some people calling
for a tax on charcoal.

And of course, GACC has promised Global Canada to deliver the moon and the
sun to Haiti.

For the sole purpose of pleasing the cook with alternatives to high-cost
LPG, electricity, and in response to high-cost charcoal and smokey
combustion, your TLUD stoves could be a boon. Good luck. But don't be
surprised if charcoal prices go down. If charcoal could be sold in the arid
region of Kutchh, India for US20c per kg, I don't see why Haiti or most
places in the world should be higher-cost except for controls on land use
and charcoaling.

USING charcoal - for cooking or productive applications - is progress, in
some users' view.

Wasting energy is not a sin. Joule-counters are like those count DALYs.
Enemies of the people.

Money matters. Physics only in vague God's way of doing things.

Making and marketing a product that pleases customers is a tough task. Made
nearly impossible when grant givers impose themselves and such bean
counters between those who take up the challenge and those who might use
the product.

Good luck, trying to convince GACC that your stove needs more attention
than aDALY blather.

Nikhil





Nikhil

Nikhil Desai
Skype: nikhildesai888

On May 6, 2017, at 12:47 AM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:

Crispin and all,

You had many goo comments in your discussion of Nikhel's email.   But you
also wrote:

The stove community in Africa suffers from two main impediments: the
over-reliance on the WBT as a way of developing and evaluating stoves, and
the near fanatical devotion to making char, as if Africa needs char-making
stoves to save itself. As one brand of missionaries leaves Africa, another
arrives to tell people when they do and do not sin.


My comments are only about

The stove community in Africa suffers from .... the near fanatical devotion
to making char, as if Africa needs char-making stoves to save itself.

Maybe you meant to say    ... as if Africa needs char BURNING stoves to
save itself.      -------- That would be true.   Charcoal burning stoves
are disastorous to Africa, Hait, and many other places.

But you wrote ..... charr-MAKING stoves .......      Which can only mean
TLUD stoves.          Well,there is certainly no "near fanatical devociton"
to char-making stoves.      There is near fanatical devotion to the
STANDARD and traditional ways of making char, that is, the ways that do not
use the heat, but just waste the energy.

But that is not the case of the TLUD stoves that are :char-MAKING".

Please clarify your comments.

Paul

Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072 <(309)%20452-7072>
Website:  www.drtlud.com

On 5/5/2017 11:16 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:

Dear Nikhil



I have had a little time to check on some things. I agree with your
perspectives:



>"Clean energy" is a deliberate betrayal of poor people.



Agreed because 'clean energy' is based on the concept of 'clean fuel' which
is a misnomer - only combustion systems with fuel can be judged to be clean.
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