[Stoves] Stove testing -

Mon Oct 2 17:51:43 CDT 2017

Paul: (and others)

Yes, when Rachel Kyte has left tomorrow's LPG Summit for Development, she
would have a better idea of how much money can practically go to advance
LPG markets and what is the "burden left on the table." (This I am
borrowing from Ajay Pillarisetti and Kirk Smith. They advocate complete,
irreversible transition to LPG without which there is still a computed,
concocted "burden of disease" left on the table, which there would be
anyway because of other sources of pollution. I am a habitual pervert, so I
turn around to mean "burden left on the table" after the practical limits
on LPG have been reached.)

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Here is my radical suggestion:

GACC was turned into a Global Campaign for Gas Cooking. (GCGC). Which is
fine, considering the circumstances at the global level. No doubt gases
(including biogases), liquids (including kerosene and bioliquids)  and
electricity (no matter how generated) have ready devices that generate
versatile, flexible cooking options, transform kitchens and immediate human
environments.

However, there is no way the WHO/Kirk Smith propaganda of "dirty fuels
kill" is going to make any difference to the lives of the 2 billion people
(including some 400 million people in India who would not make a complete,
irreversible transition to gas cooking over the next five years).

So, the time is now ripe to shift attention to the poor, who are of far
many more colors and cultures, cuisines and habits, but have access to
lower-cost local fuels.

This attention should be in the form of targeting all segments of the
cooking market where bio-origin fuels can compete with LPG at full-cost
accounting and solid biomass stoves and furnaces, boilers for all customers
an all uses.

It should also include modernization of the biomass fuels production and
delivery chains.

At the real BOP, micro-gasifiers with charcoal production are a promising
technology to improve the welfare of the poor in several ways -- not just
cooking a meal at a time but storing fuel for longer term or using for
space heating and other purposes, or selling it in the market.

These are just quick thoughts. I will have to organize this is better
language.

All I mean is to put the case for solid fuel stoves - you and I may differ
on coals, which are pretty limited in use, but not insignificant - in the
proper context of food and primary fuel sources, and residential
environments.

Tami's "Human Environment" instead of UNFCCC's "global environment."
Environmentalism for the poor, of the poor, by the poor. You and I ought to
be ready to put our knowledge to use. Instead of pursuing WHO goals.

Nikhil

(*) Nor is Modi's campaign in India going to drastically reduce the deaths
and DALYs currently attributed to HAP. I don't know if I have written this
before, but India's under-5 mortality declined at an average annual rate of
4.3% from 2000 to 2016. Kirk Smith still goes around claiming 0.9 million
die annually of HAP in India. Five years from now, WHO would cook up the
state and national estimates of HAP PM2.5 concentrations like Balakrishnan,
et al. (2013) did from a few weeks of measurements in 617 households in
four states of India, then modeling this way and that. The concentrations
would presumably go down, under-5 mortality may go down or not so fast
(nutrition and maternal health being a major risk factor and perhaps air
and water pollution from open defecation and animal manure). Deaths
reduction will be attributed to HAP reduction using revised IERs and GBD
databases. This is not science.

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Nikhil Desai
(US +1) 202 568 5831
*Skype: nikhildesai888*

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:

> Nikhil.     (I will try to get this message also to Kirk Smith, Dean
> Still, and some GACC leaders.)
>
> Yes, LOT's of assistance will be needed.   Currently, the level of
> assistance is some readers (not action) from the Stoves Listserve plus some
> specific project assistance (Honduras, South Africa, Uganda, India) that is
> fewer than 20 people in direct contact with me.   MORE assistance is
> welcomed at any time.
>
> I, too, and reading Kirk Smith's latest publication.   Please send your
> review comments soon.  He will be at the GACC Forum in 3 weeks from now.
> Clarity about his position on ANY acceptable (or seriously getting close
> and meriting assistance) stove for the the use of wood and other dry
> biomass will be important.  LPG cannot service everyone (not even in India
> with big financial support).   For the remaining millions of households,
> will Smith and others be supportive (or silent or against) about the
> ADVANCED modern clean cooking solutions (namely the micro-gasifiers).   We
> want clarity.
>
> Even the GACC needs to be more clear.   "Technology neutral" is not
> acceptable when preference is given to LPG while overlooking the
> micro-gasifiers but giving grants and support to regular "stick-burning"
> stoves that cannot burn wood cleanly.
>
> I am awaiting some  comments about my previous (here attached).    It
> starts with:
>
> We need to deliver *a message to the world* that any discussion of access
> to clean fuel sources for cooking MUST include recognition that renewable
> solid fuels (mainly wood / pellet / chips, but including some forms of
> agro-refuse) are also highly clean burning in modern advanced cookstoves.
> So, the topic is correctly stated as "clean cookstoves and fuels", but it
> is often reduced to be only "clean fuels," which is very misleading.
>
> I hope that this is of interest and wiil have advocates.
>
> Paul
>
> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
> Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072 <(309)%20452-7072>
> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>
> On 10/2/2017 10:35 AM, Nikhil Desai wrote:
>
> Paul:
>
> Will require LOTs of assistance.
>
> By way of reference, the current year estimate of India's expenditure on
> its various LPG programs is about $4 billion.
>
> Some years ago, when these costs were carried entirely on the books of the
> public sector oil marketing companies, they were about $8-10 billion a
> year. While the customer base was smaller, the prices paid to upstream oil
> companies - including public sector ones - were high, in keeping with the
> world oil prices.
>
> India's LPG cost burden on the government and public sector companies is
> difficult to estimate, but I reckon in the 50-odd years to date it's been
> about $100+ billion in total.
>
> Prof. Kirk Smith is elated at such new investment in public health by
> expanding LPG access to the lower-income customers, even as direct public
> health expenditures on medical services far lag behind the need for these
> groups. (I am preparing a critical review of Prof. Smith's latest
> celebration of Prime Minister Modi and will be happy to share it when
> done.)
>
>
> Nikhil
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Stovers,
>>
>> Nikhil writes:
>> . The real task is to see whether a "truly health protective" biomass
>> stove can be marketed at scale in the next five years.
>>
>> Working on it.   The TYPE of stoves is the micro-gasifiers.  And the best
>> of those (based on my experiences) are the true TLUD stoves  (with char
>> making) that have fans.   Working on it.   Will be announcing before or at
>> the GACC Forum in 3 weeks.
>>
>> CURRENTLY and on-going, the TLUD-ND (natural draft) gasifier stoves are
>> having great acceptance in the expanding efforts in West Bengal (will be
>> reported at GACC Forum).   Financial solutions are shown in the Deganga
>> case study.
>>
>> Yes, "can be marketed at scale in the next five years."   But that will
>> require SOME sort of assistance (currently negligible).
>>
>> Working on it.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
>> Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072 <%28309%29%20452-7072>
>> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>>
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