[Stoves] News: National Geographic on promotion of gas stoves over improved woodstoves - in Guatemala

[Nikhil Desai]

Ron:

I submit there is no such things as "international standards" until
incorporated in national regulations, if any enforcement is intended. The
real thankless work will come after ISO issues standards in persuading that
these be adopted in national regulations, especially when they won't be
incorporated in US regulations.

There are many countries where appliance and equipment standards of
manufacturing countries are adopted by some blanket agreement or if the
government itself buys under external finance from countries or
multi-lateral institutions (e.g. power plant or mining/manufacturing
equipment.)

I agree with you that the concept of Tiers is awful. Consensus or not.

Nikhil

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On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Ronal W. Larson <rongretlarson at comcast.net>
wrote:

> Xavier et al
>
> I’d like to insert a different slant.  Setting international “standards”
>  (in this case only something on recommended test procedures and this weird
> thing called a “Tier”) is generally considered by people I have talked to
> as one of the least desirable ways for any intelligent person to spend
> their time.  To volunteer (few get paid), you have to really believe in the
> importance of the cause.
>
> To say that for efficiencies to be identified by Tiers (0….4, 5)  linearly
> related to nominal efficiencies measured by decades (10, 20,….50) doesn’t
> strike me as bizarre.  Anyone have a better set of tiers?  Anyone think
> that the concept of tiers is awful?
>
> I believe you will find that ANSI and ISO staff do not find it easy to
> fill the ranks of standard reviewers.  There are many who have and will
> join to advance their own businesses.  There is big money to be made with
> standards that influence purchases.  Thanks to Sally and Ranyee for taking
> on these thankless jobs.
>
> So, I trust you will agree that not everyone who says they want to be
> involved should be involved.
>
> I agree with you that protocol development will occur outside the ISO
> process - AND HAS - especially for the stove world.
>
> By chance I today independently found the Lima accord cite:
> http://www.pciaonline.org/testing/lima-consensus.    The key word is
> “consensus”.
>
> This was cited in a Jetter et al 2012 paper at: http://heatkit.com/
> research/downloads/cookstove%20rankings%20jetter2012.pdf   Kirk Smith is
> a co-author.
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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