[Stoves] [biochar] Where to discuss STOVES AND CARBON offsets and drawdown

[Frank Shields]

And who get the credits? The industry that sends the biomass out to be made into char? The char maker that turned it into a resistant carbon form? ? or the char user? 
If not the char user then the char made could be used for cooking and returned back to the atmosphere. 

Frank Shields


> On Sep 10, 2017, at 11:26 PM, plloyd at mweb.co.za wrote:
> 
> Just a note of warning- carbon credits can be a chimera. We have a Gold Standard cc project that is sitting on $500 000 of credits because nearly all of that will go to pay an indepedent auditor to verify the credits. If the value of carbon moves up, there may be a case for claiming, but right now there is an Impasse.
> Philip Lloyd
> 
> Sent from my Huawei Mobile
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> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] [biochar] Where to discuss STOVES AND CARBON offsets and drawdown
> From: Paul Anderson 
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves 
> CC: 
> 
> 
> Andrew,
> 
> Again you are correct about carbon credits.  But you are trying to 
> UN-link stove carbon credits from the issues of climate change and 
> Drawdown, about which we must also discuss these char-producing (and 
> very clean burning) TLUD stoves.
> 
> The readers of the Stoves Listservs and the moderators (all very great 
> people) have repeatedly rejected that the drawdown / climate change 
> issues should be fully aired on this Stoves Listserv.
> 
> Please realize the difference.  Case 1:  Some charcoal  stoves (as in 
> the Uga Stove in  Uganda that received great praise for being the first 
> carbon credit / Gold Standard project for stoves) earn 1 or 1.5 carbon  
> credits per year for using LESS charcoal, but that charcoal  is STILL 
> produced very poorly via traditional char-making methods.     Case 2:  
> The TLUD stoves (as in the ChampionTLUD in India) is earning 4 (as in 
> FOUR) carbon credits per year for using LESS biomas (wood) fuel from 
> sustainable sources AND YIELDING CHARCOAL that has economic value AND 
> value for carbon credits (2 of those 4 carbon credits).
> 
> Simply bringing up this previous paragraph is pushing the limits of what 
> is the purpose of the Stoves Listserv.   And if the purpose were to be 
> expanded, we would lose some Stoves readers.  I am looking for where 
> people are already discussing drawdown and climate change AND would 
> welcome the stoves  contribution.
> 
> All comments are welcome.
> 
> Paul
> 
> Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> Email: psanders at ilstu.edu
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> 
> On 9/10/2017 2:02 PM, Andrew Heggie wrote:
> > On 10 September 2017 at 18:53, Paul Anderson wrote:
> >> Andrew,
> >>
> >> You have stated (correctly) the precise reason that I do NOT want to conduct
> >> the needed discussions on the Stoves Listserv.
> >>
> >> The needed discussion is regardless of whether the TLUD stoves are used for
> >> making biochar or for sequestering char or for simply needing less wood for
> >> the cooking tasks.
> >
> > I'm surprised at your reply Paul, I don't understand why you feel that
> > my reason is precisely why you don't want to discuss carbon credits on
> > here.
> >
> > Carbon credits exist just as much as other subsidies which are
> > applicable to stoves.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
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Thanks

Frank
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