[Stoves] Celebrate! First-ever international standard for laboratory testing of cookstoves published.

Sun Jun 24 12:44:14 CDT 2018

Crispin:

I meant it is time for EPA/WHO/UNF to celebrate, that "international"
flimflam went from Lima to IWA to ISO 19867-1 2018.

Regulator? What regulator? Gimme a break. Product standards agencies
regulate commerce, not indoor air quality nor cooking. (For instance,
clothes washers; think of all attributes the user needs or wants, and what
a washing machine standard does. Standard for detergent is separate, and
quality of water is yet another. It is presumed that the user hast clothes
and water. Here, there ought to be no presumption that every user has same
food ingredients in quality or quantity for every meal, or that somebody
has fuel standards and indoor air quality standards).

This may be a "first step" to you. But without a contextual performance
standard, all this Tier-ing is simply gearing toward more deception. Eating
hash rather than smoking it.

That experts at ISO may be woke is no reason for me to get up and
celebrate. Dope induces various layers of sleep. All that this document
promises is " customization in reporting, while still maintaining
harmonization in testing to compare products. "

I don't know a valid theory of change in use of solid fuel cookstoves that
lab testing of theoretically usable stoves has to "maintain harmonization",
just customize reporting.

If at all, I prefer your idea of reporting tests graphically rather than by
a single number.

I don't think WBT is dead yet. Check with CDM and Gold Standard.

Even your hope for replicability in and across labs is misplaced. It is the
actual use that matters.

The lesson that is yet to be learned is that only stoves that are usable
and actually used merit lab testing in the first place. Otherwise carts
will be piled in front of dead horses.

And usability and performance depend on "specific cohorts of users
experiencing local conditions."

Next step -- morphology of "specific cohorts of users" and of "local
conditions". Say, for 300 million out of 3 billion people.

I ain't woke. Blacked out from head punches. (See
https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/columns/straight-dope/article/13039270/straight-dope-the-physics-of-punching-someone-in-the-face.
Getting heat and temperature right for different foods is more important
than computing efficiencies and emissions per minute.)

Nikhil

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*Skype: nikhildesai888*

On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:

> Dear Nikhil
>
>
>
> I seems the core message got through – without considering the context,
> the worth of a stove test is questionable for regulatory purposes.
>
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> Where the evaluation is directly relevant to the expected patterns of use,
> the assessment has value to a regulator.
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> The question of context is even more critical for program managers and
> policy makers because they are invariably focused on specific cohorts of
> users experiencing local conditions.
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> The next challenge is to see if the test method can produce replicable
> results, first within one laboratory and then between them.  As the test
> method is not testing apparatus-agnostic, the effort to adapt the Standard
> to a national one will in many cases require adapting the text to suit
> existing and broadly accepted, but significantly different practice.
> Reputations are earned, not given, so let’s have a go at the test and see
> what we get.
>
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>
> The WBT is dead. Long live something else.
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> Regards
>
> Crispin
>
>
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> I can remember the joy when my writing was first published.
>
> Whether or not it did any good to anybody, the feeling is relief,
> excitement, bubbling head.
>
> " A key learning was the need to better reflect local context and
> practices, and the newly published document allows for customization in
> reporting, while still maintaining harmonization in testing to compare
> products. "
>
> I wonder if experts are finally woke.
>
> Mucho moolahs dangling on the trees.
>
> Nikhil
>
>
> http://cleancookstoves.org/about/news/06-21-2018-first-
> ever-international-standard-for-laboratory-testing-of-
> cookstoves-published.html
> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcleancookstoves.org%2Fabout%2Fnews%2F06-21-2018-first-ever-international-standard-for-laboratory-testing-of-cookstoves-published.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243590369&sdata=oVNJ4K%2FYFnDbW3oUmR%2BdpW503Vq3j2a9JsvKgmRtV2E%3D&reserved=0>
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> The International Organization for Standardization (ISO) has published the
> first international *standard for laboratory testing*
> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iso.org%2Fstandard%2F66519.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243590369&sdata=%2B6kId61zQbh7eWgMLitGvg%2B29paLsRwYx3QGA81gjoQ%3D&reserved=0> of
> cookstoves. Developed and approved by international experts from 45
> countries, the new standard includes protocols to test and report the
> emissions, efficiency, safety and durability of cookstoves in a lab setting.
>
> "Standards play a critical role in virtually every industry, delivering
> transformative impact on safety and performance," said Sally Seitz,
> co-Secretariat of ISO Technical Committee 285 (ISO TC 285) and senior
> program manager at the American National Standards Institute. "With the
> publication of this standard, the clean cooking sector is poised to make
> significant strides toward better products and ultimately, toward improved
> outcomes for consumers who use them.”
>
> The standard, which replaces an ISO International Workshop Agreement from
> 2012, is expected to serve as the basis for national policies and programs
> on cookstoves, while also incentivizing manufacturers and developers to
> improve stove quality and performance. An accompanying ISO *technical
> report*
> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iso.org%2Fstandard%2F73935.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243746620&sdata=ipKO8%2Bf%2BpXMDE1V8RRBRdEnGYY4nh20%2BjbV%2FbwB0wAI%3D&reserved=0> that
> benchmarks performance to voluntary performance targets, or tiers, and
> provides guidance on how to understand and interpret lab test results was
> also approved by member countries of the ISO Committee and will soon be
> published.
>
> Development of the standard, which was supported by the Alliance, was
> informed by learnings about the advantages and limitations of previous
> protocols, as well as the latest sector research. A key learning was the
> need to better reflect local context and practices, and the newly published
> document allows for customization in reporting, while still maintaining
> harmonization in testing to compare products.
>
> “The cooperation and dedication of experts from around the world has
> yielded the standard,” said Richard Ebong, convener of the ISO TC 285 lab
> testing working group and manager of legal metrology at the Ugandan
> National Bureau of Standards. “The responsibility is now with national
> standards organizations and other stakeholders to carry this forward in our
> countries. I shall do all that's within my powers to promote the standard.”
>
> This voluntary document provides a framework for organizations, countries
> and regions to adapt and implement the protocols, metrics, and targets
> based on their priorities over the coming months and years. ISO standards
> are reviewed and updated regularly, so these standards can be updated based
> on future research and on the progress in the cookstove and fuel market.
>
> ISO TC 285 also published a *technical report*
> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iso.org%2Fobp%2Fui%2F%23iso%3Astd%3Aiso%3Atr%3A21276%3Aed-1%3Av1%3Aen&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243746620&sdata=mwObQH%2BZnS%2FSB3NgAy%2B9Ml38L%2FaeIdLvBp69%2F%2F20Mno%3D&reserved=0> in
> May that provides harmonized definitions to key terms and concepts used
> within the sector. In addition, the ISO TC 285 has also been developing
> guidance on field testing, and it is currently open for ballot at the draft
> international standard phase. If approved, it is expected to reach the
> final phase of development in late 2018 or early 2019.
>
> For additional information about the lab standard and voluntary
> performance targets technical report, and how they might impact your
> organization and work, please review *FAQs here*
> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcleancookstoves.org%2Fresources%2F556.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243746620&sdata=ePa4v3Scu0JQDoM%2FZvh2BJpjZlblm4cuElhYnb1FIfQ%3D&reserved=0>
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> (US +1) 202 568 5831
> *Skype: nikhildesai888*
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