[Stoves] Celebrate! First-ever international standard for laboratory testing of cookstoves published.
Paul Anderson
psanders at ilstu.edu
Sun Jun 24 20:29:37 CDT 2018
Stovers,
To have a copy of those standards will cost US$200. That is a good way
to NOT have the workers in the trenches gain easy access.
Let's hope that the people at the testing centers get copies and inform
us of what is applicable. (I suppose that they will purchase the
document, or have some grantor make copies available). I hope that they
will spend the time to educate others.
Did you ever notice that the GACC does NOT send any informative messages
(and certainly not any controversial discussion messages) to the Stoves
Listserv. The GACC makes posts at its website and expects to have the
items read there. I thank Nikhil for bringing this document to our
attention.
Paul
Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: psanders at ilstu.edu
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: www.drtlud.com
On 6/24/2018 12:44 PM, Nikhil Desai wrote:
> Crispin:
>
> I meant it is time for EPA/WHO/UNF to celebrate, that "international"
> flimflam went from Lima to IWA to ISO 19867-1 2018.
>
> Regulator? What regulator? Gimme a break. Product standards agencies
> regulate commerce, not indoor air quality nor cooking. (For instance,
> clothes washers; think of all attributes the user needs or wants, and
> what a washing machine standard does. Standard for detergent is
> separate, and quality of water is yet another. It is presumed that the
> user hast clothes and water. Here, there ought to be no presumption
> that every user has same food ingredients in quality or quantity for
> every meal, or that somebody has fuel standards and indoor air quality
> standards).
>
> This may be a "first step" to you. But without a contextual
> performance standard, all this Tier-ing is simply gearing toward more
> deception. Eating hash rather than smoking it.
>
> That experts at ISO may be woke is no reason for me to get up and
> celebrate. Dope induces various layers of sleep. All that this
> document promises is " customization in reporting, while still
> maintaining harmonization in testing to compare products. "
>
> I don't know a valid theory of change in use of solid fuel cookstoves
> that lab testing of theoretically usable stoves has to "maintain
> harmonization", just customize reporting.
>
> If at all, I prefer your idea of reporting tests graphically rather
> than by a single number.
>
> I don't think WBT is dead yet. Check with CDM and Gold Standard.
>
> Even your hope for replicability in and across labs is misplaced. It
> is the actual use that matters.
>
> The lesson that is yet to be learned is that only stoves that are
> usable and actually used merit lab testing in the first place.
> Otherwise carts will be piled in front of dead horses.
>
> And usability and performance depend on "specific cohorts of users
> experiencing local conditions."
>
> Next step -- morphology of "specific cohorts of users" and of "local
> conditions". Say, for 300 million out of 3 billion people.
>
> I ain't woke. Blacked out from head punches. (See
> https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/columns/straight-dope/article/13039270/straight-dope-the-physics-of-punching-someone-in-the-face.
> Getting heat and temperature right for different foods is more
> important than computing efficiencies and emissions per minute.)
>
> Nikhil
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Nikhil Desai
> (US +1) 202 568 5831
> /Skype: nikhildesai888/
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
> <crispinpigott at outlook.com <mailto:crispinpigott at outlook.com>> wrote:
>
> Dear Nikhil
>
> I seems the core message got through – without considering the
> context, the worth of a stove test is questionable for regulatory
> purposes.
>
> Where the evaluation is directly relevant to the expected patterns
> of use, the assessment has value to a regulator.
>
> The question of context is even more critical for program managers
> and policy makers because they are invariably focused on specific
> cohorts of users experiencing local conditions.
>
> The next challenge is to see if the test method can produce
> replicable results, first within one laboratory and then between
> them. As the test method is not testing apparatus-agnostic, the
> effort to adapt the Standard to a national one will in many cases
> require adapting the text to suit existing and broadly accepted,
> but significantly different practice. Reputations are earned, not
> given, so let’s have a go at the test and see what we get.
>
> The WBT is dead. Long live something else.
>
> Regards
>
> Crispin
>
> I can remember the joy when my writing was first published.
>
> Whether or not it did any good to anybody, the feeling is relief,
> excitement, bubbling head.
>
> " A key learning was the need to better reflect local context and
> practices, and the newly published document allows for
> customization in reporting, while still maintaining harmonization
> in testing to compare products. "
>
> I wonder if experts are finally woke.
>
> Mucho moolahs dangling on the trees.
>
> Nikhil
>
>
> http://cleancookstoves.org/about/news/06-21-2018-first-ever-international-standard-for-laboratory-testing-of-cookstoves-published.html
> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcleancookstoves.org%2Fabout%2Fnews%2F06-21-2018-first-ever-international-standard-for-laboratory-testing-of-cookstoves-published.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243590369&sdata=oVNJ4K%2FYFnDbW3oUmR%2BdpW503Vq3j2a9JsvKgmRtV2E%3D&reserved=0>
>
> The International Organization for Standardization (ISO) has
> published the first international *standard for laboratory
> testing*
> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iso.org%2Fstandard%2F66519.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243590369&sdata=%2B6kId61zQbh7eWgMLitGvg%2B29paLsRwYx3QGA81gjoQ%3D&reserved=0> of
> cookstoves. Developed and approved by international experts from
> 45 countries, the new standard includes protocols to test and
> report the emissions, efficiency, safety and durability of
> cookstoves in a lab setting.
>
> "Standards play a critical role in virtually every industry,
> delivering transformative impact on safety and performance," said
> Sally Seitz, co-Secretariat of ISO Technical Committee 285 (ISO TC
> 285) and senior program manager at the American National Standards
> Institute. "With the publication of this standard, the clean
> cooking sector is poised to make significant strides toward better
> products and ultimately, toward improved outcomes for consumers
> who use them.”
>
> The standard, which replaces an ISO International Workshop
> Agreement from 2012, is expected to serve as the basis for
> national policies and programs on cookstoves, while also
> incentivizing manufacturers and developers to improve stove
> quality and performance. An accompanying ISO *technical report*
> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iso.org%2Fstandard%2F73935.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243746620&sdata=ipKO8%2Bf%2BpXMDE1V8RRBRdEnGYY4nh20%2BjbV%2FbwB0wAI%3D&reserved=0> that
> benchmarks performance to voluntary performance targets, or tiers,
> and provides guidance on how to understand and interpret lab test
> results was also approved by member countries of the ISO Committee
> and will soon be published.
>
> Development of the standard, which was supported by the Alliance,
> was informed by learnings about the advantages and limitations of
> previous protocols, as well as the latest sector research. A key
> learning was the need to better reflect local context and
> practices, and the newly published document allows for
> customization in reporting, while still maintaining harmonization
> in testing to compare products.
>
> “The cooperation and dedication of experts from around the world
> has yielded the standard,” said Richard Ebong, convener of the ISO
> TC 285 lab testing working group and manager of legal metrology at
> the Ugandan National Bureau of Standards. “The responsibility is
> now with national standards organizations and other stakeholders
> to carry this forward in our countries. I shall do all that's
> within my powers to promote the standard.”
>
> This voluntary document provides a framework for organizations,
> countries and regions to adapt and implement the protocols,
> metrics, and targets based on their priorities over the coming
> months and years. ISO standards are reviewed and updated
> regularly, so these standards can be updated based on future
> research and on the progress in the cookstove and fuel market.
>
> ISO TC 285 also published a *technical report*
> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iso.org%2Fobp%2Fui%2F%23iso%3Astd%3Aiso%3Atr%3A21276%3Aed-1%3Av1%3Aen&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243746620&sdata=mwObQH%2BZnS%2FSB3NgAy%2B9Ml38L%2FaeIdLvBp69%2F%2F20Mno%3D&reserved=0> in
> May that provides harmonized definitions to key terms and concepts
> used within the sector. In addition, the ISO TC 285 has also been
> developing guidance on field testing, and it is currently open for
> ballot at the draft international standard phase. If approved, it
> is expected to reach the final phase of development in late 2018
> or early 2019.
>
> For additional information about the lab standard and voluntary
> performance targets technical report, and how they might impact
> your organization and work, please review *FAQs here*
> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcleancookstoves.org%2Fresources%2F556.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243746620&sdata=ePa4v3Scu0JQDoM%2FZvh2BJpjZlblm4cuElhYnb1FIfQ%3D&reserved=0>.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Nikhil Desai
>
> (US +1) 202 568 5831
> /Skype: nikhildesai888/
>
>
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