[Stoves] Celebrate! First-ever international standard for laboratory testing of cookstoves published.

Sun Jun 24 20:32:50 CDT 2018

Paul:

Monies were made, deliverables have met the contractual obligations.

Nikhil

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Nikhil Desai
(US +1) 202 568 5831
*Skype: nikhildesai888*

On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 9:29 PM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:

> Stovers,
>
> To have a copy of those standards will cost US$200.  That is a good way to
> NOT have the workers in the trenches gain easy access.
>
> Let's hope that the people at the testing centers get copies and inform us
> of what is applicable.  (I suppose that they will purchase the document, or
> have some grantor make copies available).  I hope that they will spend the
> time to educate others.
>
> Did you ever notice that the GACC does NOT send any informative messages
> (and certainly not any controversial discussion messages) to the Stoves
> Listserv.   The GACC makes posts at its website and expects to have the
> items read there.   I thank Nikhil for bringing this document to our
> attention.
>
> Paul
>
>
> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
> Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>
> On 6/24/2018 12:44 PM, Nikhil Desai wrote:
>
> Crispin:
>
> I meant it is time for EPA/WHO/UNF to celebrate, that "international"
> flimflam went from Lima to IWA to ISO 19867-1 2018.
>
> Regulator? What regulator? Gimme a break. Product standards agencies
> regulate commerce, not indoor air quality nor cooking. (For instance,
> clothes washers; think of all attributes the user needs or wants, and what
> a washing machine standard does. Standard for detergent is separate, and
> quality of water is yet another. It is presumed that the user hast clothes
> and water. Here, there ought to be no presumption that every user has same
> food ingredients in quality or quantity for every meal, or that somebody
> has fuel standards and indoor air quality standards).
>
> This may be a "first step" to you. But without a contextual performance
> standard, all this Tier-ing is simply gearing toward more deception. Eating
> hash rather than smoking it.
>
> That experts at ISO may be woke is no reason for me to get up and
> celebrate. Dope induces various layers of sleep. All that this document
> promises is " customization in reporting, while still maintaining
> harmonization in testing to compare products. "
>
> I don't know a valid theory of change in use of solid fuel cookstoves that
> lab testing of theoretically usable stoves has to "maintain harmonization",
> just customize reporting.
>
> If at all, I prefer your idea of reporting tests graphically rather than
> by a single number.
>
> I don't think WBT is dead yet. Check with CDM and Gold Standard.
>
> Even your hope for replicability in and across labs is misplaced. It is
> the actual use that matters.
>
> The lesson that is yet to be learned is that only stoves that are usable
> and actually used merit lab testing in the first place. Otherwise carts
> will be piled in front of dead horses.
>
> And usability and performance depend on "specific cohorts of users
> experiencing local conditions."
>
> Next step -- morphology of "specific cohorts of users" and of "local
> conditions". Say, for 300 million out of 3 billion people.
>
> I ain't woke. Blacked out from head punches. (See https://www.
> washingtoncitypaper.com/columns/straight-dope/article/
> 13039270/straight-dope-the-physics-of-punching-someone-in-the-face.
> Getting heat and temperature right for different foods is more important
> than computing efficiencies and emissions per minute.)
>
> Nikhil
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Nikhil Desai
> (US +1) 202 568 5831
> *Skype: nikhildesai888*
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
> crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Nikhil
>>
>>
>>
>> I seems the core message got through – without considering the context,
>> the worth of a stove test is questionable for regulatory purposes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Where the evaluation is directly relevant to the expected patterns of
>> use, the assessment has value to a regulator.
>>
>>
>>
>> The question of context is even more critical for program managers and
>> policy makers because they are invariably focused on specific cohorts of
>> users experiencing local conditions.
>>
>>
>>
>> The next challenge is to see if the test method can produce replicable
>> results, first within one laboratory and then between them.  As the test
>> method is not testing apparatus-agnostic, the effort to adapt the Standard
>> to a national one will in many cases require adapting the text to suit
>> existing and broadly accepted, but significantly different practice.
>> Reputations are earned, not given, so let’s have a go at the test and see
>> what we get.
>>
>>
>>
>> The WBT is dead. Long live something else.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Crispin
>>
>>
>>
>> I can remember the joy when my writing was first published.
>>
>> Whether or not it did any good to anybody, the feeling is relief,
>> excitement, bubbling head.
>>
>> " A key learning was the need to better reflect local context and
>> practices, and the newly published document allows for customization in
>> reporting, while still maintaining harmonization in testing to compare
>> products. "
>>
>> I wonder if experts are finally woke.
>>
>> Mucho moolahs dangling on the trees.
>>
>> Nikhil
>>
>>
>> http://cleancookstoves.org/about/news/06-21-2018-first-ever-
>> international-standard-for-laboratory-testing-of-cookstov
>> es-published.html
>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcleancookstoves.org%2Fabout%2Fnews%2F06-21-2018-first-ever-international-standard-for-laboratory-testing-of-cookstoves-published.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243590369&sdata=oVNJ4K%2FYFnDbW3oUmR%2BdpW503Vq3j2a9JsvKgmRtV2E%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>>
>>
>> The International Organization for Standardization (ISO) has published
>> the first international *standard for laboratory testing*
>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iso.org%2Fstandard%2F66519.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243590369&sdata=%2B6kId61zQbh7eWgMLitGvg%2B29paLsRwYx3QGA81gjoQ%3D&reserved=0> of
>> cookstoves. Developed and approved by international experts from 45
>> countries, the new standard includes protocols to test and report the
>> emissions, efficiency, safety and durability of cookstoves in a lab setting.
>>
>> "Standards play a critical role in virtually every industry, delivering
>> transformative impact on safety and performance," said Sally Seitz,
>> co-Secretariat of ISO Technical Committee 285 (ISO TC 285) and senior
>> program manager at the American National Standards Institute. "With the
>> publication of this standard, the clean cooking sector is poised to make
>> significant strides toward better products and ultimately, toward improved
>> outcomes for consumers who use them.”
>>
>> The standard, which replaces an ISO International Workshop Agreement from
>> 2012, is expected to serve as the basis for national policies and programs
>> on cookstoves, while also incentivizing manufacturers and developers to
>> improve stove quality and performance. An accompanying ISO *technical
>> report*
>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iso.org%2Fstandard%2F73935.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243746620&sdata=ipKO8%2Bf%2BpXMDE1V8RRBRdEnGYY4nh20%2BjbV%2FbwB0wAI%3D&reserved=0> that
>> benchmarks performance to voluntary performance targets, or tiers, and
>> provides guidance on how to understand and interpret lab test results was
>> also approved by member countries of the ISO Committee and will soon be
>> published.
>>
>> Development of the standard, which was supported by the Alliance, was
>> informed by learnings about the advantages and limitations of previous
>> protocols, as well as the latest sector research. A key learning was the
>> need to better reflect local context and practices, and the newly published
>> document allows for customization in reporting, while still maintaining
>> harmonization in testing to compare products.
>>
>> “The cooperation and dedication of experts from around the world has
>> yielded the standard,” said Richard Ebong, convener of the ISO TC 285 lab
>> testing working group and manager of legal metrology at the Ugandan
>> National Bureau of Standards. “The responsibility is now with national
>> standards organizations and other stakeholders to carry this forward in our
>> countries. I shall do all that's within my powers to promote the standard.”
>>
>> This voluntary document provides a framework for organizations, countries
>> and regions to adapt and implement the protocols, metrics, and targets
>> based on their priorities over the coming months and years. ISO standards
>> are reviewed and updated regularly, so these standards can be updated based
>> on future research and on the progress in the cookstove and fuel market.
>>
>> ISO TC 285 also published a *technical report*
>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iso.org%2Fobp%2Fui%2F%23iso%3Astd%3Aiso%3Atr%3A21276%3Aed-1%3Av1%3Aen&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243746620&sdata=mwObQH%2BZnS%2FSB3NgAy%2B9Ml38L%2FaeIdLvBp69%2F%2F20Mno%3D&reserved=0> in
>> May that provides harmonized definitions to key terms and concepts used
>> within the sector. In addition, the ISO TC 285 has also been developing
>> guidance on field testing, and it is currently open for ballot at the draft
>> international standard phase. If approved, it is expected to reach the
>> final phase of development in late 2018 or early 2019.
>>
>> For additional information about the lab standard and voluntary
>> performance targets technical report, and how they might impact your
>> organization and work, please review *FAQs here*
>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcleancookstoves.org%2Fresources%2F556.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243746620&sdata=ePa4v3Scu0JQDoM%2FZvh2BJpjZlblm4cuElhYnb1FIfQ%3D&reserved=0>
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Nikhil Desai
>>
>> (US +1) 202 568 5831
>> *Skype: nikhildesai888*
>>
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