[Stoves] EPA funding for 2 stove types
Paul Anderson
psanders at ilstu.edu
Sat Mar 31 19:54:21 CDT 2018
Kirk and Dean, (I have added in the Stoves Listserv that has missed
several messages (that are below). I did not realize until Dean's most
recent message that he is not subscribed to the Stoves Listserv. So we
can make efforts to forward any comments from him, or to him at his
email address.)
I look forward to the info that is coming. And you have given a great
announcement for this summer's Stove Camp at Aprovecho. At least 3
different stoves (but all are more or less TLUDs / micro-gaifiers) by
1. Harris NEW DESIGN the model 318, 2. the model 316 by Harris with
mentioned improvements by Dean and Co., and 3. some design with
capabulities for making electricity.
Are we talking about the same stove? The original reference was for
> Cottage Grove, Oregon-based ASAT Inc. was also awarded $300,000 to
> commercialize a clean-burning, biomass-fueled integrated stove that
> can be used for cooking, heating and a source of power.
Please send some info about that stove.
Paul
Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: psanders at ilstu.edu
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: www.drtlud.com
On 3/31/2018 5:39 PM, Dean Still wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Kirk is modest. Without his guidance we wouldn't as a team be making
> progress!
>
> We'll write everything up and send it to the LIST including the
> Integrated Stove.
>
> By the way, all of this new stuff will be taught at Stove Camp!
>
> Kirk will be teaching as well as combustion faculty from University
> of Dayton.
>
> One of these days when the techniques are more mature, we'll write up
> another book with CAD drawings.
>
> I guess I'm not retired yet.
>
> I'm not on the LIST but Sam will send in the report.
>
> All Best,
>
> Dean
>
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 3:15 PM, Kirk H. <gkharris316 at comcast.net
> <mailto:gkharris316 at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> Dean, Paul, Ronal,
>
> I did early on contribute to this new type of stove, but it is
> Dean who came up with the keystone that holds everything
> together. The technique Dean created to make the new stove work
> is excellent in several ways. First it creates a lot of surface
> contact between the burning wood gas and the secondary air, after
> giving the gas some time to burn and break down the hydrocarbons.
> Second it is incredibly simple and will be very cheap to make.
> Third it can be made out of ceramic, so it will have a very long
> life span (Dean insisted on this). Fourth it can be refueled,
> kind of a combination batch and hand fed arrangement. Fifth it is
> versatile enough to use different types of fuel. I made some
> early contributions, but Dean kept the right contributions and
> discarded the not so good ones and brought the design to where it
> now is. I think the major problem now is how to deal with char
> build-up, unless Dean has solved this. The new design will have
> to prove itself to those in the field, and I am sure it will.
>
> I have not been involved with the grants.
>
> I am building a new stove, working on a next generation Wonderwerk
> stove (the old Wonderwerk was designated 316 since it was
> developed in March 2016, the new one will be 318 since the testing
> that proved the concept was in March 2018). The tests I did at
> Aprovecho in March showed it can get more than twice the power (I
> would guess unofficially 8 kw) while still burning mostly with
> flat line particulates and CO. I did lose turn-down, clean
> start-up and clean transition to coals, but I’m confident that I
> can get them back. It should be ready to present at stove camp
> this summer. The stove has changed considerably from its roots,
> the Champion. Ron used a very narrow slit for secondary air in
> one of his stoves. I am finding this useful.
>
> Congrats Dean,
>
> Kirk
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
> for Windows 10
>
> *From: *Paul Anderson <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>
> *Sent: *Saturday, March 31, 2018 1:10 PM
> *To: *Dean Still <mailto:deankstill at gmail.com>; Kirk H.
> <mailto:gkharris316 at comcast.net>
> *Cc: *Ronal W. Larson <mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [Stoves] EPA funding for 2 stove types
>
> Dean,
>
> The grant it to your company. You should do it. I was at ETHOS
> and somehow missed what it was that you have now turned into a
> success (for the grant and for the future.). I am not sure to
> what extent Kirk is involved in the grant bexause it is now for
> ramping to commercialization, with production in China. That is
> your accomplishment. Good to give recognition to Kirk, but this
> grant is to your company/operation (I assume with others, but not
> known to me at this time.)
>
> Perhaps you could take the application for the Phase II SBIR grant
> and delete any sensitive parts and just send the rest to us (the
> Stove Listserv, not just to Ron and me.)
>
> Paul
>
>
> Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>
> Email:psanders at ilstu.edu <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>
>
> Skype: paultlud Phone:+1-309-452-7072 <tel:%28309%29%20452-7072>
>
> Website:www.drtlud.com <http://www.drtlud.com>
>
> On 3/31/2018 1:09 PM, Dean Still wrote:
>
> Hi Paul and Ron,
>
> We are very lucky to be learning a lot from Kirk. He builds
> new approaches and then tests them here under the hood.
>
> Maybe we can invite Kirk to write up his learnings for the LIST?
>
> He is my teacher in a lot of ways and I think it's better for
> him to get the credit and he'll do a better job explaining the
> new generation of stoves.
>
> All Best,
>
> Dean
>
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Paul Anderson
> <psanders at ilstu.edu <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>> wrote:
>
> Dean,
>
> I agree with Ron,
>
> Consider this a request on behalf of the whole Stoves
> Listserv.
>
> Paul
>
> Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>
> Email:psanders at ilstu.edu <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>
>
> Skype: paultlud Phone:+1-309-452-7072 <tel:%28309%29%20452-7072>
>
> Website:www.drtlud.com <http://www.drtlud.com>
>
> On 3/31/2018 12:07 PM, Ronal W. Larson wrote:
>
> Dean: cc Paul
>
> I think plenty on the list would love to hear more
> details. For one, might this be applied to what you
> are doing (or could do) with Kirk Harris stove
> production in China?
>
> Ron
>
> On Mar 28, 2018, at 11:40 PM, Dean Still
> <deankstill at gmail.com
> <mailto:deankstill at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Dear Ron and Paul,
>
> Thanks!
>
> All Best,
>
> Dean
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 8:40 PM, Ronal W. Larson
> <rongretlarson at comcast.net
> <mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> Paul: cc List
>
> One was almost certainly represented
> at ETHOS - if not shown. Your URL says that
> one of the companies was ASAT - which Googling
> shows is doing business as “Stovetec” - and
> the head of ASAT is Dean Still.
>
> It is very competitive to get an SBIR
> grant - and even more so as Phase II.
> Congratulations to Dean! (being cc’d as a
> courtesy)
>
> Ron
>
>
> > On Mar 28, 2018, at 3:56 PM, Paul Anderson
> <psanders at ilstu.edu
> <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>> wrote:
> >
> > Stovers,
> >
> > Interesting info that the
> epa-funds-development-of-biomass-fueled-thermoelectric-stoves
> >
> >
> http://www.biomassmagazine.com/articles/15166/epa-funds-development-of-biomass-fueled-thermoelectric-stoves?utm_source=Biomass&utm_campaign=21d419efe0-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_03_28&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_53880fe73c-21d419efe0-94479045
> <http://www.biomassmagazine.com/articles/15166/epa-funds-development-of-biomass-fueled-thermoelectric-stoves?utm_source=Biomass&utm_campaign=21d419efe0-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_03_28&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_53880fe73c-21d419efe0-94479045>
> >
> > Neither was shown at ETHOS.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > --
> > Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> > Email: psanders at ilstu.edu
> <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>
> > Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
> <tel:%2B1-309-452-7072>
> > Website: www.drtlud.com <http://www.drtlud.com/>
> >
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>
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>
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> Dean Still
>
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>
> Aprovecho Research Center
>
> PO Box 1175
>
> 76132 Blue Mountain School Road
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