[Stoves] Air pollution kills

[Anand Karve]

Except for the monsoon season, India is a very dusty place and it is the
dust in the air that gets measured as suspended particulate matter.  Smoke
from the kitchen or from car exhaust is not always its cause. Yours Karve

On 04-May-2018 19:49, "Nikhil Desai" <ndesai at alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> Paul:
>
> There is more to WHO claims. Another story from yesterday, where WHO DG
> says,
>
> “Air pollution threatens us all, but the poorest and most marginalised
> people bear the brunt of the burden. It is unacceptable that over 3 billion
> people — most of them women and children — are still breathing deadly smoke
> every day from using polluting stoves and fuels in their homes,” said
> Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, Director General of WHO. "
>
> 14 cities with worst air pollution are in India: WHO , 02 May 2018
> https://www.domain-b.com/environment/20180502_air_pollution.html
> I agree with him. But urge WHO to keep its nose out of where it does not
> belong.
>
> Holy cows need to be branded and taken to the slaughterhouse.
>
> Nikhil
>
> ------------------------
> Nikhil Desai
> (US +1) 202 568 5831
> *Skype: nikhildesai888*
>
> On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 6:42 PM, Nikhil Desai <ndesai at alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> Paul:
>>
>> This is hyperbole, deceit, nonsense.
>>
>> Instead of "attribution", they claim "contribute", implying non-existent
>> causal pathway.
>>
>> Just remember and recite with Kirk Smith - attribution is not causality
>> and attributability is not avoidability. In short, ANCANA.
>>
>> You say, "Basically, nobody is safe."
>>
>> Of course, nobody is safe from death. Which cause, whether known and
>> identified as such is one question. (Never sure about this; read WHO
>> reports on causes of death and data on death.)
>>
>> NOBODY NEEDS TO PLEASE WHO. WHO IS WHO? These are public health
>> charlatans promoting hysteria and careers.
>>
>> Now, if you really need to know when air pollution kills, here is today's
>> story. (In childhood, we had a tale about a blind king in a city of blinds
>> or blindness. He ordered the whole city to be paved with stone and leather
>> so there would be no dust.)
>>
>> Keep in mind - there is no basis for PM2.5 hourly average emission rate
>> targets in the ISO exercise. Leave aside fuel or stove type or whatever.
>>
>> N
>>
>> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-43987209
>>
>> India dust storms: More than 100 killed in Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan
>> http://www.bbc.com/news/av/embed/p0665g2z/43987209
>>
>> ------------------------
>> Nikhil Desai
>> (US +1) 202 568 5831
>> *Skype: nikhildesai888*
>>
>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:36 PM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Stovers,
>>>
>>> I just thought you might find this interesting. '
>>>
>>> This came from  the issue on Wednesday 2 May 2018 of:
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Nature Briefing]
>>> <https://nature.us17.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2c6057c528fdc6f73fa196d9d&id=d2eab8d5f6&e=562108ab5a>
>>>
>>> Hello *Nature* readers,
>>>
>>> Air pollution kills 7 million people a year
>>> <https://nature.us17.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2c6057c528fdc6f73fa196d9d&id=fed70f971c&e=562108ab5a>
>>>
>>> About 90% of the world’s population is exposed to dangerously high
>>> levels of air pollution
>>> <https://nature.us17.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2c6057c528fdc6f73fa196d9d&id=e7570b0287&e=562108ab5a>,
>>> says the World Health Organization. Toxic air leads to the early death of
>>> an estimated 7 million people every year, including an estimated 3.8
>>> million deaths from indoor cooking with polluting fuels. More than 90% of
>>> air pollution-related deaths occur in low- and middle-income countries, but
>>> even in high-income European cities, air pollution is knocking 2–24 months
>>> off people’s lives.
>>> The Times
>>> <https://nature.us17.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2c6057c528fdc6f73fa196d9d&id=4f7c6ff0a2&e=562108ab5a>
>>> | 4 min read
>>>
>>> 40% of the world population cook with solid fuels.   So 60% do not.   Of
>>> that 60%, 50%  (50% of 60% is  83%) ALSO are exposed by dangerously high
>>> levels of air pollution.
>>>
>>> Basically, nobody is safe.
>>>
>>> So why push for LPG for the poorest 40% when even that is not going to
>>> do much good for them????   Or is that mainly a promotion effort by LPG
>>> business?
>>>
>>> So it seems like there is no chance of pleasing the WHO.   7 million
>>> deaths per year from air pollution.
>>>
>>> ************
>>>
>>> I will keep pushing for cleaner cookstoves, espacially the
>>> micro-gasifier TLUD type.
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>>> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
>>> Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>>> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>>>
>>>
>>
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