[Stoves] Air pollution kills

Sun May 6 15:09:01 CDT 2018

Crispin, Nikhil,

The important question: is it likely that air pollution kills, or shortens lives if you prefer, of people living in cities?

I don’t know if the debate over the terms « killing » or « shortening life » is very relevant.

When someone shoots a 80-year old man, who was maybe meant to live until 81 years old only, you could say the shooter is not a killer, merely a life-shortener. If the shooter shoots a 12-month-old baby who was meant to live 81 years old, you could also say he shortened the baby’s life by 80 years. The baby was meant to die one day anyways.

Should the shooter of the old man only get a small prison sentence? After all, he only took 1 year from the old man’s life, maybe he only took 6 months or 2 months.

Let’s admit that yes, life is dangerous and full of uncertainties, and many factors have an impact on human’s health. But let’s admit we would rather limitate the impact air pollution has on human health. How likely is it that indoor air pollution has a large contribution to human deaths? Outdoor air pollution?

Best,

Xavier

De : Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] De la part de Anand Karve
Envoyé : samedi 5 mai 2018 05:13
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Objet : Re: [Stoves] Air pollution kills

Except for the monsoon season, India is a very dusty place and it is the dust in the air that gets measured as suspended particulate matter.  Smoke from the kitchen or from car exhaust is not always its cause. Yours Karve

On 04-May-2018 19:49, "Nikhil Desai" <ndesai at alum.mit.edu> wrote:

Paul: 

There is more to WHO claims. Another story from yesterday, where WHO DG says, 

“Air pollution threatens us all, but the poorest and most marginalised people bear the brunt of the burden. It is unacceptable that over 3 billion people — most of them women and children — are still breathing deadly smoke every day from using polluting stoves and fuels in their homes,” said Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, Director General of WHO. "

14 cities with worst air pollution are in India: WHO , 02 May 2018 https://www.domain-b.com/environment/20180502_air_pollution.html

I agree with him. But urge WHO to keep its nose out of where it does not belong. 

Holy cows need to be branded and taken to the slaughterhouse. 

Nikhil 

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On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 6:42 PM, Nikhil Desai <ndesai at alum.mit.edu> wrote:

Paul: 

This is hyperbole, deceit, nonsense. 

Instead of "attribution", they claim "contribute", implying non-existent causal pathway. 

Just remember and recite with Kirk Smith - attribution is not causality and attributability is not avoidability. In short, ANCANA. 

You say, "Basically, nobody is safe." 

Of course, nobody is safe from death. Which cause, whether known and identified as such is one question. (Never sure about this; read WHO reports on causes of death and data on death.) 

NOBODY NEEDS TO PLEASE WHO. WHO IS WHO? These are public health charlatans promoting hysteria and careers. 

Now, if you really need to know when air pollution kills, here is today's story. (In childhood, we had a tale about a blind king in a city of blinds or blindness. He ordered the whole city to be paved with stone and leather so there would be no dust.) 

Keep in mind - there is no basis for PM2.5 hourly average emission rate targets in the ISO exercise. Leave aside fuel or stove type or whatever. 

N

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-43987209

India dust storms: More than 100 killed in Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/embed/p0665g2z/43987209

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Nikhil Desai

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Skype: nikhildesai888

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:36 PM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:

Stovers,

I just thought you might find this interesting. '

This came from  the issue on Wednesday 2 May 2018 of:

 <https://nature.us17.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2c6057c528fdc6f73fa196d9d&id=d2eab8d5f6&e=562108ab5a> Nature Briefing

Hello Nature readers,

Air pollution kills 7 million people a year <https://nature.us17.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2c6057c528fdc6f73fa196d9d&id=fed70f971c&e=562108ab5a> 

About 90% of the world’s population is exposed to dangerously high <https://nature.us17.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2c6057c528fdc6f73fa196d9d&id=e7570b0287&e=562108ab5a>  levels of air pollution, says the World Health Organization. Toxic air leads to the early death of an estimated 7 million people every year, including an estimated 3.8 million deaths from indoor cooking with polluting fuels. More than 90% of air pollution-related deaths occur in low- and middle-income countries, but even in high-income European cities, air pollution is knocking 2–24 months off people’s lives. 

The Times <https://nature.us17.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2c6057c528fdc6f73fa196d9d&id=4f7c6ff0a2&e=562108ab5a>  | 4 min read

40% of the world population cook with solid fuels.   So 60% do not.   Of that 60%, 50%  (50% of 60% is  83%) ALSO are exposed by dangerously high levels of air pollution.  

Basically, nobody is safe.

So why push for LPG for the poorest 40% when even that is not going to do much good for them????   Or is that mainly a promotion effort by LPG business?   

So it seems like there is no chance of pleasing the WHO.   7 million deaths per year from air pollution.   

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I will keep pushing for cleaner cookstoves, espacially the micro-gasifier TLUD type.  

Paul

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