[Stoves] Ghana news: Clean charcoal cookstoves to help solve climate change

Sun Dec 8 22:39:36 CST 2019

Thanks both of you

The idea that there is too much energy being generated/available is interesting. I suppose everywhere there is an expanding forest has "too much energy" available.

A couple of things:

Charcoal savings are made differently from wood savings in terms of GHG's.

The price of avoided CO2e per ton at the beginning of COP25 was 20 cents.

There is the prospect of huge numbers of CERs being made available post COP25. The whole of Article 6 is still up for grabs. I haven't heard a word from the media Annoys the serial failure this year to come to grips with the fundamental issues facing the convenors.  Brazil wants all old projects to roll over into 6.2 or 6.4. Other say they are mostly / partly hot air and that sort of thing has to be stopped.

The idea that a CER has or will have a value of $10 is not gaining traction in the real world. Canada's government is fantasizing about $50 in a few years. They are extracting $10 already (not in Ontario).

Looking forward, the fixing of CDM will require fixing the calculation of fNRB values and running a believable carbon market. If the price rises to $2/t in 2 years I will be surprised.

Crispin

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Subject: Re: Ghana news: Clean charcoal cookstoves to help solve climate change

Paul:

Your computations assume t hat a user has only one stove and that is charcoal. I think the UNDP report estimate of per household charcoal use for households that did use charcoal (unclear if exclusively)was about 600-700 kg a year. If the new stove reduces consumption by 50% - very doubtful - that would mean 300-350 kg a year. Does that amount to 1 ton CO2 a year if the fNRB is not 1 but 0.5?

Is it possible Ghana had no choice but to sell cheap, given the uncertainty about Article 6 of the Paris Agreement and the possibility that there would be no carryover of carbon credits under the CDM to post-2020 regime?

Beggars can't be choosers. I am sure the South Koreans are spending a third to a half of the money on implementation costs and computational consultants.

If fuel use reduction is attractive to users, why are Koreans needed in the first place?

Something is wrong, big time, in the way we have dreamed about carbon finance for the poor. Even more so with biomass cookstoves.

This one story says Ghana has too much power and gas. Giving away gas and electric stoves could be the win-win-win you are looking for.  https://www.myjoyonline.com/business/2019/November-15th/energy-surplus-leaves-ghana-paying-for-power-it-doesnt-need.php<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.myjoyonline.com%2Fbusiness%2F2019%2FNovember-15th%2Fenergy-surplus-leaves-ghana-paying-for-power-it-doesnt-need.php&data=02%7C01%7C%7C9aaad6aefa57412060b508d77c5a3465%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637114599169011349&sdata=z7QdV%2B6YWzNCdG5Z5fWat45lf8P7DjpjNYH7JLOlcWE%3D&reserved=0>

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On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 9:53 PM Anderson, Paul <psanders at ilstu.edu<mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>> wrote:
Nikhil,

Thanks for bringing that Ghana / South Korea item to our attention.   I would have missed it otherwise.

Using the provided numbers, there will be 500,000 stoves with an average life of  4 years (3 – 5).  I think that charcoal stoves could be credited with 1 to 2 carbon credits (CC) per year.  ( I  will  use 1 CC/yr and then it is simple to multiply it larger if merited)

That would be 500,000 CC per year X 4 years = 2 million CC for the total project.

Cost of project is estimated at US$5.5 million, but did not say if all of that money was from South Korea.   Assuming 90% ($5 million), then the South Koreans are acquiring carbon credits at US$ 2.50 per CC.   (check my math, but I think that seems correct).

So, if the stoves last 5 years, or if the S. Korean funds are less than the $5 million, or it the CC per stove is greater than 1.0 (say 1.5 or 2.0), the South Korean expense per CC would be even less, maybe even only half.

1.  Good Public Relations for South Korea and a rock bottom  price for CC to help South  Korea meet its climate commitments.
2.  Some cookstove improvements in Ghana, including creating some local jobs and $10 per stove investment  into the economy.
3.  Some reduction in carbon emissions to the atmosphere, which is climate positive.

That makes it a Win – Win – Win situation.

How come there is not more of this being done?

And why $10 per stove for a charcoal burner when better “bang for the buck” can be had with other stoves?     (and some of us are working toward a $10 TLUD-ND with much more benefits).

Paul

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