[Stoves] Ghana news: Clean charcoal cookstoves to help solve climate change

Wed Dec 11 07:01:16 CST 2019

Crispin:

1. No. An expanding forest does not have "too much energy available".
Energy in human use combines primary energy with use equipment. Why just
the "forest" - whatever that means - when everything combustible, including
the giant fireball in our solar system and billions more also have "too
much energy available".

FYI, the Ghanaian oil and gas production has suffered and Tullow is in
trouble.
https://www.worldoil.com/news/2019/12/9/tullow-oil-ceo-quits-after-continued-poor-results-in-ghana
 Celebrate!

2. Are there different CDM methodologies for charcoal stoves compared to
direct wood stoves? I was under the impression that both, after a lot of
handwaving and wasting money on consultants, rely on fNRB as the metric of
"GHG savings".

The fundamental fraud here is the assumption that just because CO2 has a
land sink, every single user's biomass combustion is "carbon-neutral". That
is,

 a) at the national level, fossil fuel CO2 emissions are offset by national
land sink (or added to by LULUCF) - e.g., in Australia between 1990 and
2000 - BUT that a poor farmer with some trees on his land does not qualify
for CERs from his better stove unless he cuts his tree;

b) as Kirk Smith pointed out, CO2 is the least harmful of all carbon
species to add to the atmosphere from both climate and health angles; the
IPCC/CDM accounting deliberately ignores all PICs so that, essentially,
pollution reduction gets no credit.

I would be happy to see the CDM fraud disintegrate. It is an anti-poor
accounting crime. It promotes creation of ozone and black carbon, whose
combined warming effect in the short term (using 20-year GWP, permitted by
IPCC) overwhelms that of CO2. The sink politics are another matter.

As of now, it is reported " It seems like the developing countries are
willing to compromise on the Adaptation Fund negotiations to get the
Article 6 moving along in the right direction. With only three days left
for the CoP 25 in Madrid to end, a decision on Article 6 is highly unlikely. "
https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/climate-change/climate-emergency-cop-25-roadblock-for-adaptation-fund-68363

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Nikhil Desai
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On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 11:39 PM Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:

> Thanks both of you
>
> The idea that there is too much energy being generated/available is
> interesting. I suppose everywhere there is an expanding forest has "too
> much energy" available.
>
> A couple of things:
>
> Charcoal savings are made differently from wood savings in terms of GHG's.
>
> The price of avoided CO2e per ton at the beginning of COP25 was 20 cents.
>
> There is the prospect of huge numbers of CERs being made available post
> COP25. The whole of Article 6 is still up for grabs. I haven't heard a word
> from the media Annoys the serial failure this year to come to grips with
> the fundamental issues facing the convenors.  Brazil wants all old projects
> to roll over into 6.2 or 6.4. Other say they are mostly / partly hot air
> and that sort of thing has to be stopped.
>
> The idea that a CER has or will have a value of $10 is not gaining
> traction in the real world. Canada's government is fantasizing about $50 in
> a few years. They are extracting $10 already (not in Ontario).
>
> Looking forward, the fixing of CDM will require fixing the calculation of
> fNRB values and running a believable carbon market. If the price rises to
> $2/t in 2 years I will be surprised.
>
> Crispin
>
> NewDawnEngineering.com
> *From:* pienergy2008 at gmail.com
> *Sent:* December 9, 2019 5:45 AM
> *To:* psanders at ilstu.edu
> *Reply to:* ndesai at alum.mit.edu
> *Cc:* stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org; crispinpigott at outlook.com
> *Subject:* Re: Ghana news: Clean charcoal cookstoves to help solve
> climate change
>
> Paul:
>
> Your computations assume t hat a user has only one stove and that is
> charcoal. I think the UNDP report estimate of per household charcoal use
> for households that did use charcoal (unclear if exclusively)was about
> 600-700 kg a year. If the new stove reduces consumption by 50% - very
> doubtful - that would mean 300-350 kg a year. Does that amount to 1 ton CO2
> a year if the fNRB is not 1 but 0.5?
>
> Is it possible Ghana had no choice but to sell cheap, given the
> uncertainty about Article 6 of the Paris Agreement and the possibility that
> there would be no carryover of carbon credits under the CDM to post-2020
> regime?
>
> Beggars can't be choosers. I am sure the South Koreans are spending a
> third to a half of the money on implementation costs and computational
> consultants.
>
> If fuel use reduction is attractive to users, why are Koreans needed in
> the first place?
>
> Something is wrong, big time, in the way we have dreamed about carbon
> finance for the poor. Even more so with biomass cookstoves.
>
> This one story says Ghana has too much power and gas. Giving away gas and
> electric stoves could be the win-win-win you are looking for.
> https://www.myjoyonline.com/business/2019/November-15th/energy-surplus-leaves-ghana-paying-for-power-it-doesnt-need.php
> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.myjoyonline.com%2Fbusiness%2F2019%2FNovember-15th%2Fenergy-surplus-leaves-ghana-paying-for-power-it-doesnt-need.php&data=02%7C01%7C%7C9aaad6aefa57412060b508d77c5a3465%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637114599169011349&sdata=z7QdV%2B6YWzNCdG5Z5fWat45lf8P7DjpjNYH7JLOlcWE%3D&reserved=0>
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> Nikhil
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> Nikhil Desai
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> *Skype: nikhildesai888*
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 9:53 PM Anderson, Paul <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Nikhil,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for bringing that Ghana / South Korea item to our attention.   I
>> would have missed it otherwise.
>>
>>
>>
>> Using the provided numbers, there will be 500,000 stoves with an average
>> life of  4 years (3 – 5).  I think that charcoal stoves could be credited
>> with 1 to 2 carbon credits (CC) per year.  ( I  will  use 1 CC/yr and then
>> it is simple to multiply it larger if merited)
>>
>>
>>
>> That would be 500,000 CC per year X 4 years = 2 million CC for the total
>> project.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cost of project is estimated at US$5.5 million, but did not say if all of
>> that money was from South Korea.   Assuming 90% ($5 million), then the
>> South Koreans are acquiring carbon credits at US$ 2.50 per CC.   (check my
>> math, but I think that seems correct).
>>
>>
>>
>> So, if the stoves last 5 years, or if the S. Korean funds are less than
>> the $5 million, or it the CC per stove is greater than 1.0 (say 1.5 or
>> 2.0), the South Korean expense per CC would be even less, maybe even only
>> half.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.  Good Public Relations for South Korea and a rock bottom  price for CC
>> to help South  Korea meet its climate commitments.
>>
>> 2.  Some cookstove improvements in Ghana, including creating some local
>> jobs and $10 per stove investment  into the economy.
>>
>> 3.  Some reduction in carbon emissions to the atmosphere, which is
>> climate positive.
>>
>>
>>
>> That makes it a Win – Win – Win situation.
>>
>>
>>
>> How come there is not more of this being done?
>>
>>
>>
>> And why $10 per stove for a charcoal burner when better “bang for the
>> buck” can be had with other stoves?     (and some of us are working toward
>> a $10 TLUD-ND with much more benefits).
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
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