[Stoves] Fwd: "The effects of fuel type and stove design on ..." - new citations

Wed Dec 25 18:41:28 CST 2019

I'm wondering about your evaluation of the project "Case Study of the
Acceptance of Champion  TLUD Gasifier Stoves in the Deganga Area, Ganges
Delta, India"  ?  Report available on Paul Anderson's DrTLUD website.
Project has expanded significantly even since this report.

Seems like this is a high adoption program, thousands of stoves, numbers
increasing year by year, with year after year sustained success.  It also
has many related business components, from cooks earning money; charcoal
collectors; charcoal purchases; management and coordination services; stove
manufacturer; subsidized purchase finance, etc.

All and everybody helping the whole; everybody making money.  Nobody
getting rich, but enough incentives all around.

To me, seems like a great total business plan.  Works because it's
comprehensive.

On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 9:06 AM Nikhil Desai <pienergy2008 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ron:
>
> You asked for thoughts, so I will offer mine. As an economist, I ought to
> know how money is made. (Raising grants. Administering grants. By
> publishing papers and holding fourth at conferences, performing "show and
> tell" before poor women, a form of poverty and climate tourism. Or taking a
> cut of the CDM or VER markets to ensure that the poor are properly
> penalized if their biomass is sourced renewably.)
>
> Stoves don't make money. People make money. That is a likely clue to why
> charcoal-making stoves don't sell themselves as much as you believe they
> should; there are too many cooks making sure that the broth is spoiled.
>
> And people "make money" when they do something financially profitable -
> earning a return on their investment in the stove, their feedstock, and
> their labor.
>
> It may well be that your favorite charcoal-making stoves are not
> profitable enough in all contexts.  Or that non-cooks are busy baking their
> own cake in the name of the poor. (EPA and Gates Foundation consultants, to
> be precise.)
>
> Nikhil
>
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> On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 12:52 PM Ronal Larson <rongretlarson at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> List:  cc Kevin
>>
>> I recommend this (non-fee) overview article shown below.  The free pdf
>> version is at:
>> https://aip.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/1.5141191?class=pdf.
>>
>> This is a nice stove-breakdown list - that they mostly cover:
>>
>> (a) According to technology used: Traditional and Improved cookstove
>> (b) According to draft or air supply: Natural draft and Forced draft
>> (c) According to combustion mechanism: Direct combustion and Gasifier
>> (d) According to fuel used: wood, Dung cake, charcoal, residue crops,
>> Multi-fuels
>> (e) According to material: Mud, Brick, Ceramic, Metal and Hybrid
>> (f) According to fuel feeding: Batch feeding or continuous feeding
>> (g) According to utility: Domestic size or Community size
>> (h) According to chimney used: Cookstove with chimney or cookstove
>> without chimney
>> (i) According to portability: Portable or fixed type
>> (j) According to pot used: Single pot or multiple pots
>>
>> I would add one more:
>> k). According to money flow:  Make money or spend money while cooking
>>
>> Obviously there should be some stove-user interest in money-making.  The
>> only way I am aware of is making charcoal.   Others?
>>
>> So this k) option is already possible as a part of c) Gasifier (meaning
>> only TLUD in this paper).  But (unfortunately) not much of k) is now
>> happening as part of c).  Nor is marketing of char discussed in this
>> article.
>>
>> But there are many ways to make charcoal and some of the other ways are
>> potentially applicable to cooking tasks.   I’m working on a message on
>> these other non-TLUD ways - and would welcome on-list or off-list dialog if
>> anyone else is doing that.
>>
>> If we discuss k) seriously, it seems that k) can involve EVERY one of the
>> breakdowns a) through j).  I am concentrating now on modifications of both
>> the “Traditional” and “improved" parts of a).  This category can also
>> expand what is covered in a) through j).  For instance,  b) can include “no
>> draft”.   e) may have other options than those shown.  f) might have “and”
>> as well as “or”.
>>
>> This paper is a nice summary of much past work, but is essentially silent
>> on k) - the making of char/money while cooking.  No discussion of how char
>> influences efficiency computation.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
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