[Stoves] Fwd: "The effects of fuel type and stove design on ..." - new citations

Tue Dec 24 18:26:48 CST 2019

Ron:

You asked for thoughts, so I will offer mine. As an economist, I ought to
know how money is made. (Raising grants. Administering grants. By
publishing papers and holding fourth at conferences, performing "show and
tell" before poor women, a form of poverty and climate tourism. Or taking a
cut of the CDM or VER markets to ensure that the poor are properly
penalized if their biomass is sourced renewably.)

Stoves don't make money. People make money. That is a likely clue to why
charcoal-making stoves don't sell themselves as much as you believe they
should; there are too many cooks making sure that the broth is spoiled.

And people "make money" when they do something financially profitable -
earning a return on their investment in the stove, their feedstock, and
their labor.

It may well be that your favorite charcoal-making stoves are not profitable
enough in all contexts.  Or that non-cooks are busy baking their own cake
in the name of the poor. (EPA and Gates Foundation consultants, to be
precise.)

Nikhil

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On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 12:52 PM Ronal Larson <rongretlarson at comcast.net>
wrote:

> List:  cc Kevin
>
> I recommend this (non-fee) overview article shown below.  The free pdf
> version is at:
> https://aip.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/1.5141191?class=pdf.
>
> This is a nice stove-breakdown list - that they mostly cover:
>
> (a) According to technology used: Traditional and Improved cookstove
> (b) According to draft or air supply: Natural draft and Forced draft
> (c) According to combustion mechanism: Direct combustion and Gasifier
> (d) According to fuel used: wood, Dung cake, charcoal, residue crops,
> Multi-fuels
> (e) According to material: Mud, Brick, Ceramic, Metal and Hybrid
> (f) According to fuel feeding: Batch feeding or continuous feeding
> (g) According to utility: Domestic size or Community size
> (h) According to chimney used: Cookstove with chimney or cookstove without
> chimney
> (i) According to portability: Portable or fixed type
> (j) According to pot used: Single pot or multiple pots
>
> I would add one more:
> k). According to money flow:  Make money or spend money while cooking
>
> Obviously there should be some stove-user interest in money-making.  The
> only way I am aware of is making charcoal.   Others?
>
> So this k) option is already possible as a part of c) Gasifier (meaning
> only TLUD in this paper).  But (unfortunately) not much of k) is now
> happening as part of c).  Nor is marketing of char discussed in this
> article.
>
> But there are many ways to make charcoal and some of the other ways are
> potentially applicable to cooking tasks.   I’m working on a message on
> these other non-TLUD ways - and would welcome on-list or off-list dialog if
> anyone else is doing that.
>
> If we discuss k) seriously, it seems that k) can involve EVERY one of the
> breakdowns a) through j).  I am concentrating now on modifications of both
> the “Traditional” and “improved" parts of a).  This category can also
> expand what is covered in a) through j).  For instance,  b) can include “no
> draft”.   e) may have other options than those shown.  f) might have “and”
> as well as “or”.
>
> This paper is a nice summary of much past work, but is essentially silent
> on k) - the making of char/money while cooking.  No discussion of how char
> influences efficiency computation.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Ron
>
>
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