[Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 101, Issue 19
Norman Baker
ntbakerphd at gmail.com
Wed Jan 23 16:11:47 CST 2019
Jock;
Interesting! Are you coming to the TLUD Summit?
Norm
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> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 14:14:35 -0800
> From: Norman Baker <ntbakerphd at gmail.com>
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> Guys;
>
> If the feedstock is dry and you set a TLUD on fire and walk away to come
> back later, there is a high probability that the char will simply complete
> to ash losing the value of putting it in the soil for crop enhancement. Not
> sure I would promote this practice. Of course, it is a small amount of char
> that would be lost and would probably not be that important - but still the
> amount collected can be substantial in fact, more than you would
> expect. Here on the Olympic Peninsula in my Sequim organic gardeners
> group, one couple asked me about making biochar in an ammunition can in
> their wood stove with a daily burn. I explained how and how to save it etc.
> etc. They never said a word about how that was going. Several months later
> in fact, the following spring, I asked if they had followed up and
> accumulated any biochar. She replied "oh yes we have a 55 gal. barrel
> forward and put on the garden later when we deal the garden". Turns out it
> was a substantial amount of needed coverage for a personal garden.
>
> Norm
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 11:01 AM <stoves-request at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> wrote:
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> > 1. Biochar Production and Its Use in Rural Bangladesh
> > (Documentary with English Subtitles) (Julien Winter)
> > 2. Re: Biochar Production and Its Use in Rural Bangladesh
> > (Documentary with English Subtitles) (Anderson, Paul)
> > 3. Hello Stovers (Mike Hatfield)
> > 4. Hello Stovers (Julien Winter)
> >
> >
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:25:49 -0500
> > From: Julien Winter <winter.julien at gmail.com>
> > To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> > <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> > Subject: [Stoves] Biochar Production and Its Use in Rural Bangladesh
> > (Documentary with English Subtitles)
> > Message-ID:
> > <CALv4xTwssBQ0LbW+Y8BYu=VKtUzQVFd0Kr0+Ka3sSp=
> > RMW32WA at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi all;
> >
> > Just a minor correction: the documentary was made in the summer of 2018,
> > not 2017.
> >
> > Also, something I had not thought of regarding exposure to emissions from
> > TLUDs. Since the TLUD is run on batches of fuel, and don't need stoking,
> > women can set it going, and walk away, coming back when the cooking is
> > done. One of the women said that she went off to tend her retail
> business,
> > leaving the TLUD unattended.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Julien
> >
> > --
> > Julien Winter
> > Cobourg, ON, CANADA
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 21:19:58 +0000
> > From: "Anderson, Paul" <psanders at ilstu.edu>
> > To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> > <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Stoves] Biochar Production and Its Use in Rural
> > Bangladesh (Documentary with English Subtitles)
> > Message-ID:
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> >
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> >
> > Julien,
> >
> > Good point that is not in the exposure calculations: The cook (and
> small
> > children) can be away from the stove!!! Another plus for TLUD stoves
> > being more healthy to use.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> > Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP
> > Email: psanders at ilstu.edu<mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu> Skype:
> > paultlud
> > Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile: 309-531-4434
> > Website: www.drtlud.com<http://www.drtlud.com>
> >
> > From: Stoves <stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org> On Behalf Of
> > Julien Winter
> > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 2:26 PM
> > To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <
> stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> > Subject: [Stoves] Biochar Production and Its Use in Rural Bangladesh
> > (Documentary with English Subtitles)
> >
> > Hi all;
> >
> > Just a minor correction: the documentary was made in the summer of 2018,
> > not 2017.
> >
> > Also, something I had not thought of regarding exposure to emissions from
> > TLUDs. Since the TLUD is run on batches of fuel, and don't need stoking,
> > women can set it going, and walk away, coming back when the cooking is
> > done. One of the women said that she went off to tend her retail
> business,
> > leaving the TLUD unattended.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Julien
> >
> > --
> > Julien Winter
> > Cobourg, ON, CANADA
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 14:56:04 -0800
> > From: Mike Hatfield <apromike at gmail.com>
> > To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> > <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> > Subject: [Stoves] Hello Stovers
> > Message-ID:
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> > CAHpmYuZ0xpxFvbOVqKiJsEXEvaDqnHwtA9Gky2KXs4V4CG2WKg at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > We have been using Magpi+ to do in field surveys. It is such a step
> above
> > the old paper and scan method. But unfortunately the free user level is
> > hard to process data once collected. Paid user is $500/month so not
> really
> > worth it. Seems like there are lots of free options out there but
> curious
> > if anyone has a suggestion of the best. Ideally it can be used on a smart
> > phone when outside of cellular coverage and then uploaded once back in
> wifi
> > or cell zone.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > M
> >
> > --
> > Mike Hatfield
> > Program Manager- StoveTeam International
> > Director of International Projects - Aprovecho Research Center
> > Board Member - Aprovecho Educational Center
> > (541) 357-9857
> > www.stoveteam.org (Central American Stoves)
> > www.aprovecho.org (Stove Lab)
> > www.aprovecho.net (Education Center)
> >
> > Statistically, the probability of any one of us being here is so small
> that
> > you'd think the mere fact of existing would keep us all in a contented
> > dazzlement of surprise -Lewis Thomas
> >
> > The known is finite, the unknown infinite, intellectually we stand on an
> > islet in the mist of an illimitable ocean of inexplicability. Our
> business
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 22:17:19 -0500
> > From: Julien Winter <winter.julien at gmail.com>
> > To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> > <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> > Subject: [Stoves] Hello Stovers
> > Message-ID:
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> > CALv4xTxKDApmGXVHGYsiQu4S4BFkPFRyBh9DixoOzga1zN5u-w at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hello Mike;
> >
> > The Magpi+ data input method looks nice.
> >
> > However for statistical analysis, I find that the R programming language
> > worth getting to know for data manipulation, multiple regression
> techniques
> > and validation of relationships. The R Project for Statistical Computing
> > is free. There is a steep learning curve to program in R: one needs to
> be
> > familiar with data structures, coding, and graduate-level statistics.
> >
> > On a smart phone, it is nice to have good forms. The Magpi+ seems to do
> > well there, and can help guide interviewers through the process.
> However,
> > I would prefer something that doesn't send your data to the cloud, but
> will
> > transferred it to a PC spreadsheet. There could be privacy issues,
> > especially is one uses GPS coordinates as the identifier key of
> households
> > in a database.
> >
> > What would be nice is reliable speech recognition in a cell phone that
> > could be used to save the answers to open questions as text. Off-line
> > English transcription is still a bit buggy on Android phones. On-line, I
> > am really impressed. It has come a long way in the past 20 years. But
> > what about the other 1000s of languages?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Julien.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Julien Winter
> > Cobourg, ON, CANADA
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> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 19:26:25 -0500
> From: Jock Gill <jock at jockgill.com>
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> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 101, Issue 18
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> Norm,
>
> I find that if I carefully minimize the primary air supply in my tin? can
> tluds they actually pretty much self extinguish. If I leave a burn over
> night, there will be loss of char. But there is little loss within a
> reasonable window after the gas fire for has gone out.
>
> I try to keep the primary air as sparce as possible. Just enough primary
> air to sustain the start up phase when the full for load presents the most
> resistance to the entrance of the primary.
>
> I generally give a burn 2 minutes of charcoal burn after the gas fire has
> self extinguished.? The amount of smoke given off during this 2 minutes is
> a pretty good indicator of the cleanliness of the burn.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jock
>
>
>
> ?Jock Gill
> P.O. Box 3
> Peacham, VT 05862
>
> Pixel: 802 508-1258
>
>
> Sent from BlueMail ?
>
> On Jan 22, 2019, 5:14 PM, at 5:14 PM, Norman Baker <ntbakerphd at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >Guys;
> >
> >If the feedstock is dry and you set a TLUD on fire and walk away to
> >come
> >back later, there is a high probability that the char will simply
> >complete
> >to ash losing the value of putting it in the soil for crop enhancement.
> >Not
> >sure I would promote this practice. Of course, it is a small amount of
> >char
> >that would be lost and would probably not be that important - but still
> >the
> >amount collected can be substantial in fact, more than you would
> >expect. Here on the Olympic Peninsula in my Sequim organic gardeners
> >group, one couple asked me about making biochar in an ammunition can in
> >their wood stove with a daily burn. I explained how and how to save it
> >etc.
> >etc. They never said a word about how that was going. Several months
> >later
> >in fact, the following spring, I asked if they had followed up and
> >accumulated any biochar. She replied "oh yes we have a 55 gal. barrel
> >forward and put on the garden later when we deal the garden". Turns out
> >it
> >was a substantial amount of needed coverage for a personal garden.
> >
> >Norm
> >
> >On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 11:01 AM
> ><stoves-request at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> >wrote:
> >
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> >>
> >> Today's Topics:
> >>
> >> 1. Biochar Production and Its Use in Rural Bangladesh
> >> (Documentary with English Subtitles) (Julien Winter)
> >> 2. Re: Biochar Production and Its Use in Rural Bangladesh
> >> (Documentary with English Subtitles) (Anderson, Paul)
> >> 3. Hello Stovers (Mike Hatfield)
> >> 4. Hello Stovers (Julien Winter)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:25:49 -0500
> >> From: Julien Winter <winter.julien at gmail.com>
> >> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> >> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> >> Subject: [Stoves] Biochar Production and Its Use in Rural Bangladesh
> >> (Documentary with English Subtitles)
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <CALv4xTwssBQ0LbW+Y8BYu=VKtUzQVFd0Kr0+Ka3sSp=
> >> RMW32WA at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Hi all;
> >>
> >> Just a minor correction: the documentary was made in the summer of
> >2018,
> >> not 2017.
> >>
> >> Also, something I had not thought of regarding exposure to emissions
> >from
> >> TLUDs. Since the TLUD is run on batches of fuel, and don't need
> >stoking,
> >> women can set it going, and walk away, coming back when the cooking
> >is
> >> done. One of the women said that she went off to tend her retail
> >business,
> >> leaving the TLUD unattended.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Julien
> >>
> >> --
> >> Julien Winter
> >> Cobourg, ON, CANADA
> >> -------------- next part --------------
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> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 21:19:58 +0000
> >> From: "Anderson, Paul" <psanders at ilstu.edu>
> >> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> >> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Biochar Production and Its Use in Rural
> >> Bangladesh (Documentary with English Subtitles)
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <
> >>
> >
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> >> >
> >>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Julien,
> >>
> >> Good point that is not in the exposure calculations: The cook (and
> >small
> >> children) can be away from the stove!!! Another plus for TLUD
> >stoves
> >> being more healthy to use.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> >> Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP
> >> Email: psanders at ilstu.edu<mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu> Skype:
> >> paultlud
> >> Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile: 309-531-4434
> >> Website: www.drtlud.com<http://www.drtlud.com>
> >>
> >> From: Stoves <stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org> On Behalf Of
> >> Julien Winter
> >> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 2:26 PM
> >> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> ><stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> >> Subject: [Stoves] Biochar Production and Its Use in Rural Bangladesh
> >> (Documentary with English Subtitles)
> >>
> >> Hi all;
> >>
> >> Just a minor correction: the documentary was made in the summer of
> >2018,
> >> not 2017.
> >>
> >> Also, something I had not thought of regarding exposure to emissions
> >from
> >> TLUDs. Since the TLUD is run on batches of fuel, and don't need
> >stoking,
> >> women can set it going, and walk away, coming back when the cooking
> >is
> >> done. One of the women said that she went off to tend her retail
> >business,
> >> leaving the TLUD unattended.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Julien
> >>
> >> --
> >> Julien Winter
> >> Cobourg, ON, CANADA
> >> -------------- next part --------------
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> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 14:56:04 -0800
> >> From: Mike Hatfield <apromike at gmail.com>
> >> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> >> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> >> Subject: [Stoves] Hello Stovers
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <
> >> CAHpmYuZ0xpxFvbOVqKiJsEXEvaDqnHwtA9Gky2KXs4V4CG2WKg at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> We have been using Magpi+ to do in field surveys. It is such a step
> >above
> >> the old paper and scan method. But unfortunately the free user level
> >is
> >> hard to process data once collected. Paid user is $500/month so not
> >really
> >> worth it. Seems like there are lots of free options out there but
> >curious
> >> if anyone has a suggestion of the best. Ideally it can be used on a
> >smart
> >> phone when outside of cellular coverage and then uploaded once back
> >in wifi
> >> or cell zone.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> M
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mike Hatfield
> >> Program Manager- StoveTeam International
> >> Director of International Projects - Aprovecho Research Center
> >> Board Member - Aprovecho Educational Center
> >> (541) 357-9857
> >> www.stoveteam.org (Central American Stoves)
> >> www.aprovecho.org (Stove Lab)
> >> www.aprovecho.net (Education Center)
> >>
> >> Statistically, the probability of any one of us being here is so
> >small that
> >> you'd think the mere fact of existing would keep us all in a
> >contented
> >> dazzlement of surprise -Lewis Thomas
> >>
> >> The known is finite, the unknown infinite, intellectually we stand on
> >an
> >> islet in the mist of an illimitable ocean of inexplicability. Our
> >business
> >> in every generation is to reclaim a little more land - T. H. Huxley
> >> -------------- next part --------------
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> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 4
> >> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 22:17:19 -0500
> >> From: Julien Winter <winter.julien at gmail.com>
> >> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> >> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> >> Subject: [Stoves] Hello Stovers
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <
> >> CALv4xTxKDApmGXVHGYsiQu4S4BFkPFRyBh9DixoOzga1zN5u-w at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Hello Mike;
> >>
> >> The Magpi+ data input method looks nice.
> >>
> >> However for statistical analysis, I find that the R programming
> >language
> >> worth getting to know for data manipulation, multiple regression
> >techniques
> >> and validation of relationships. The R Project for Statistical
> >Computing
> >> is free. There is a steep learning curve to program in R: one needs
> >to be
> >> familiar with data structures, coding, and graduate-level statistics.
> >>
> >> On a smart phone, it is nice to have good forms. The Magpi+ seems to
> >do
> >> well there, and can help guide interviewers through the process.
> >However,
> >> I would prefer something that doesn't send your data to the cloud,
> >but will
> >> transferred it to a PC spreadsheet. There could be privacy issues,
> >> especially is one uses GPS coordinates as the identifier key of
> >households
> >> in a database.
> >>
> >> What would be nice is reliable speech recognition in a cell phone
> >that
> >> could be used to save the answers to open questions as text.
> >Off-line
> >> English transcription is still a bit buggy on Android phones.
> >On-line, I
> >> am really impressed. It has come a long way in the past 20 years.
> >But
> >> what about the other 1000s of languages?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Julien.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Julien Winter
> >> Cobourg, ON, CANADA
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