[Stoves] Why Ujjwala Failed?

Sat May 4 07:45:46 CDT 2019

Hi Nikhil

Thank you for your email. Hope you are doing allright.

I get what you say about the fuel itself being dirty.

Over the course of the last few months, trying to promote the Anderson
TLUD, I have come to  understand that most rural people still cook
predominantly with biomass and will continue to do so. There is this whole
issue about how firewood and charcoal is regulated and I will try to spend
some time after the elections are over to understand the regulations.

Women do not take nicely to shaping wood for burning as is required in the
TLUD and would rather continue with the convenience of shoving in whatever
is available. In order to get the stoves out, I am tempted to offer shaped
/ cut wood to families , do you think this could work ? This would be
accompanied by a charcoal buy back arrangement. I can see some kind of a
rural cooking solution business - village store selling stoves and fuel [
including briquettes and pellets which are locally produced]. Could you
tell me what you think.

I am yet to detail out the exercise, but your initial feedback will allow
me to invest to understand how to promote clean burning wood pellet stoves.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Best regards

Sujoy

On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 11:34 PM Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:

> Dear Sujoy
>
>
>
> One aspect to investigate is how a fuel company (through the government)
> gets to say that other “fuels” are dirty, while they say theirs is “clean”,
> when there are clean-burning devices that use wood, kerosene and LPG, not
> to mention other fuels.
>
>
>
> This is straight perfidy.  A high crime, not a misdemeanour.  The
> pro-LPG-to-replace-wood-and-kerosene campaign is based on a lie: that fuels
> are to be rated, not the devices together with the fuels that use them.
>
>
>
> In short, they are not testing pollution in homes from modern devices *which
> are available* they are comparing them with old technologies and saying
> that the fuel itself is the cause of the problem, not the old stoves.
> Apples and oranges.
>
>
>
> So a kerosene lamp that is profoundly clean, is rated (in the mind of the
> program) as “dirty” not because it produces any “dirt” but because it uses
> kerosene.
>
>
>
> Thus, by their definition, all turbojet aircraft such as the Boeing 777
> Dreamliner and an Airbus A340 are “dirty” because they use kerosene as
> fuel. After all, the fuel is inherently dirty, then the aircraft must also
> be dirty. There are no clean results from dirty fuel, right?
>
>
>
> Same with wood. Don’t use a modern stove like Inyenyeri does, that is not
> allowed, because the fuel, wood, is “dirty” already, so no stove can be
> “clean”, right?
>
>
>
> I don’t care who is supporting the silly meme. If the program is marketed
> based on a lie to get subsidies and unfair smearing of competition with no
> right of reply, it should be stopped and the right people rightfully
> punished.
>
>
>
> Imagine how much good could be done promoting clean burning wood pellet
> stoves without any long term subsidy of the fuel, with all jobs created in
> India and no long term imported fuel!
>
>
>
> Find the right button and push it.
>
> Crispin
>
>
>
> Hi nikhil
> Design a study and let us bring forth.
> Regards
> Sujoy
>
>
>
> On 3 May 2019 22:19, "Nikhil Desai" <pienergy2008 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Darpan:
>
> This doesn't show that Ujjwala failed.
>
> The consumer prevailed. Stacking empowers women. Kirk Smith's public
> health fascism failed.
>
> I am curious if upper-income households in areas with improved grid
> reliability show growth in sales of electric kettles and water heaters,
> rice cookers, microwave and induction stoves.
>
> Forget fuel fetishism. Improving wood quality, charcoaling, and better
> combustion, are still marketable options.
>
> Or quality wood better be left for lumber. Let cooks and appliance sellers
> do what they want. Enough of "international standards" and aDALYs, academic
> junk.
>
> Nikhil
>
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> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 11:28 PM Darpan Das <darpandasiitb at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> https://m.timesofindia.com/india/why-ujjwala-hasnt-extinguished-chulha-in-rural-and-small-town-india/articleshow/69113519.cms
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