[Stoves] Why Ujjwala Failed?

Sat May 4 12:36:32 CDT 2019

Sujoy:

What you responded to were Crispin's comments, not mine.

Anyway, yes, do please try out a small chipper/shredder depending on the
kind of wood preferred. I remember some gadgets from my childhood. A timber
mill engineer would know where to get one, or someone would make you one
for around $50-100. (I am making guesses about Bengal villages though I
haven't seen any since 2002, when I went to Sunderbans and in fact saw a
wood-chip based power plant.)

Get somebody to operate it for $1 an hour, and at first give it away for
free but tell the customers this is just a limited time offer. (If someone
else picks up the idea and sells, all the better.)

The question as always is the feedstock. You mention "regulations"; please
discuss more. Stove science experts don't usually bother with the reality
of diverse qualities of woods, multiple sources at different costs
(monetary or not). Industrial waste wood probably goes for USc 15-20 a kg,
but if close enough, a more reliable source. What do road authorities do
with tree wastes?

The idea that people who collect "free wood" bring it to you for a chipping
service and pay for it seems unrealistic.Women don't have that extra time
or money. It might work for pellets. I have no idea of pelletizing, but it
is probably a superior option because I imagine it can take a wider variety
of biomass.

Get a school student to observe and write a note about biomass available in
and around the village and nearby farms and other lands. Who knows, she
might become a better advisor for cooking energy businesses and markets
than EPA contractors and the IWA conspirators.

I am getting by. Thank you.

N
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On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 8:47 AM Sujoy Chaudhury <sujoy.chaudhury at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Nikhil
>
> Thank you for your email. Hope you are doing allright.
>
> I get what you say about the fuel itself being dirty.
>
> Over the course of the last few months, trying to promote the Anderson
> TLUD, I have come to  understand that most rural people still cook
> predominantly with biomass and will continue to do so. There is this whole
> issue about how firewood and charcoal is regulated and I will try to spend
> some time after the elections are over to understand the regulations.
>
> Women do not take nicely to shaping wood for burning as is required in the
> TLUD and would rather continue with the convenience of shoving in whatever
> is available. In order to get the stoves out, I am tempted to offer shaped
> / cut wood to families , do you think this could work ? This would be
> accompanied by a charcoal buy back arrangement. I can see some kind of a
> rural cooking solution business - village store selling stoves and fuel [
> including briquettes and pellets which are locally produced]. Could you
> tell me what you think.
>
> I am yet to detail out the exercise, but your initial feedback will allow
> me to invest to understand how to promote clean burning wood pellet stoves.
>
> Looking forward to hearing from you.
>
> Best regards
>
> Sujoy
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 11:34 PM Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
> crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Sujoy
>>
>>
>>
>> One aspect to investigate is how a fuel company (through the government)
>> gets to say that other “fuels” are dirty, while they say theirs is “clean”,
>> when there are clean-burning devices that use wood, kerosene and LPG, not
>> to mention other fuels.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is straight perfidy.  A high crime, not a misdemeanour.  The
>> pro-LPG-to-replace-wood-and-kerosene campaign is based on a lie: that fuels
>> are to be rated, not the devices together with the fuels that use them.
>>
>>
>>
>> In short, they are not testing pollution in homes from modern devices *which
>> are available* they are comparing them with old technologies and saying
>> that the fuel itself is the cause of the problem, not the old stoves.
>> Apples and oranges.
>>
>>
>>
>> So a kerosene lamp that is profoundly clean, is rated (in the mind of the
>> program) as “dirty” not because it produces any “dirt” but because it uses
>> kerosene.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thus, by their definition, all turbojet aircraft such as the Boeing 777
>> Dreamliner and an Airbus A340 are “dirty” because they use kerosene as
>> fuel. After all, the fuel is inherently dirty, then the aircraft must also
>> be dirty. There are no clean results from dirty fuel, right?
>>
>>
>>
>> Same with wood. Don’t use a modern stove like Inyenyeri does, that is not
>> allowed, because the fuel, wood, is “dirty” already, so no stove can be
>> “clean”, right?
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t care who is supporting the silly meme. If the program is marketed
>> based on a lie to get subsidies and unfair smearing of competition with no
>> right of reply, it should be stopped and the right people rightfully
>> punished.
>>
>>
>>
>> Imagine how much good could be done promoting clean burning wood pellet
>> stoves without any long term subsidy of the fuel, with all jobs created in
>> India and no long term imported fuel!
>>
>>
>>
>> Find the right button and push it.
>>
>> Crispin
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi nikhil
>> Design a study and let us bring forth.
>> Regards
>> Sujoy
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3 May 2019 22:19, "Nikhil Desai" <pienergy2008 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Darpan:
>>
>> This doesn't show that Ujjwala failed.
>>
>> The consumer prevailed. Stacking empowers women. Kirk Smith's public
>> health fascism failed.
>>
>> I am curious if upper-income households in areas with improved grid
>> reliability show growth in sales of electric kettles and water heaters,
>> rice cookers, microwave and induction stoves.
>>
>> Forget fuel fetishism. Improving wood quality, charcoaling, and better
>> combustion, are still marketable options.
>>
>> Or quality wood better be left for lumber. Let cooks and appliance
>> sellers do what they want. Enough of "international standards" and aDALYs,
>> academic junk.
>>
>> Nikhil
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Nikhil Desai
>>
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>> *Skype: nikhildesai888*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 11:28 PM Darpan Das <darpandasiitb at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://m.timesofindia.com/india/why-ujjwala-hasnt-extinguished-chulha-in-rural-and-small-town-india/articleshow/69113519.cms
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