[Stoves] [dd-toronto] Drawdown related project
Lloyd Helferty
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Fri Jan 17 14:48:18 CST 2020
Hello all,
FYI, I have also been involved in these Clean Cookstove conversations
for many years -- through the "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves",
which is a /global/ conversation.
I agree with Peter: "imposition of so-called /better technology/ comes
across as a _colonization_ of long-standing and well-adapted cooking
practices".
/Cultural context/ matters -- a lot!
Any "interventions" should only be done if it is _/REQUESTED by the
community itself/_... otherwise attempts at "imposing" solutions will
very likely be simply abandoned after a very short period of time ~
especially if the (imposed) "Solution(s)" end up being more costly or
complex than the existing methods.
The most likely "intervention" method would simply be to go to these
communities, show them various "alternative" ways of cooking (such as by
pelleting and/or using certain types of "waste" that may be readily
available in those communities -- such as /rice husks/ in Vietnam -- and
which can be used in alternative clean cookstoves that behave very much
like modern [gas] cookstoves, and then simply demonstrate and teach them
how to use the new stoves.
Beyond that you can't "force" them to change anything... especially if
their diets include cooked foods that get much of their flavour from
smoke and charcoal etc.
It would be like asking a guy who loves *Smoked Meat* to "stop using
wood"!
Lang Reverse Flow Wood Smoker - Yelp
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On 2020-01-12 3:20 PM, David Burman wrote:
>
> along those lines, when the Cuban government supplied electric
> hotplates to all households (along with compact fluorescent
> lightbulbs) they all collapsed.
>
> Why? because they were made in China and designed for use with woks
> and not the pressure cookers used by Cubans. It became a national joke :)
>
> On 1/12/2020 1:30 PM, Jones, Peter wrote:
>>
>> Clean cookstoves are a fascinating area of discussion in innovation
>> studies. With an ethnographic study of actual human practices, they
>> quickly show us the complexity in “making decisions for other cultures.”
>>
>> We have to step lightly in these issues because the *imposition of
>> so-called better technology comes across as a colonization of
>> long-standing and well-adapted cooking practices*. We have to be
>> careful when “solving problems for other cultures.”
>>
>> My grad student William Georg conducted a nearly 3-month innovation
>> adoption study in Kampala, Uganda on clean cookstove adoption.
>> http://openresearch.ocadu.ca/id/eprint/351/ We presented this work at
>> the EPIC Ethnography conference in 2016. Ut is consistent with other
>> anthropological findings.
>>
>> Simply put, for many indigenous and subsistence cultures, the use of
>> charcoal is well-adapted to their preferred and affordable cooking
>> and eating practices and preferences. Indigenous cultures and
>> slum-dwellers are not likely candidates to change diet for the
>> environment. They cook indoors with charcoal and risk pulmonary
>> disease for their whole families. But cookstoves have been a failure
>> in many – not all – locations because of cultural practice, AND
>> simple constraints – such as, many subsistence diets, they cook beans
>> or other simmering foods that use up liquid fuels quickly. These
>> stoves might double the cost of cooking beans. So even when these
>> stoves are given away, they often get used just for tea or quick cooking.
>>
>> So what to do? First of all, we should focus on our own culture first
>> and foremost. Second, pay attention to human sciences. It can become
>> complex and wasteful trying to intervene where we don’t understand
>> practices. Third, when designing solutions – when requested – for
>> these practices, we really must balance cost, end use, and the human
>> cultural practices that we have no right as westerners to change. We
>> have to work with people in their contexts, not ours.
>>
>> All the best, Peter
>>
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>> *From:*main at drawdown-toronto.groups.io
>> <main at drawdown-toronto.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Lyn Adamson via
>> Groups.Io
>>
>> I have heard of a group working on a clean cook stove project. I
>> think for Guatemala. Located in Lanark County. I have reached out to
>> get more info.
>>
>> Lyn
>>
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2020, at 10:33 PM, David Burman wrote:
>>
>> We have the mailchimp list.
>>
>> Would need more info before putting it out there.
>>
>> Talk Wednesday
>>
>> D
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>> On Jan. 10, 2020, at 2:58 p.m., "Jonathan Love via Groups.Io"
>> <mac.com <mailto:jonlove=%3ca>@groups.io
>> target=_blank>jonlove=mac.com <http://mac.com>@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>> If we had some kind of directory I would say to put it there.
>> But I don’t think there’s much else we should do.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Natalie Zend wrote:
>>
>> Dear core team,
>>
>> Any thoughts on how we can support/collaborate with Tim
>> on this?
>>
>> Hugs to all,
>>
>> Natalie
>>
>>
>>
>> On January 4, 2020 at 1:48:56 PM, Tim Marskell wrote:
>>
>> Hi Natalie,
>>
>> Nice to e-meet you. As Matt mentioned, I am in the
>> idea phase of a fundraiser surrounding cookstoves
>> that was inspired by reading Drawdown. We were
>> thinking of combining it with some climate pledge
>> items that Matt has been working on.
>>
>> If you'd like to hear more I'd be happy to chat.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim Marskell
>>
>> On Saturday, January 4, 2020, 08:55:17 a.m. EST,
>> Matthew L-P wrote:
>>
>> Hi Natalie,
>>
>> I just met with Tim yesterday and said I would
>> e-introduce you. He has been inspired by the Drawdown
>> book and is planning a fundraiser in restaurants for
>> clean cooktop stoves for the developing world. He
>> was thinking of using the drawdown logo in his
>> promotions and maybe collaborating with the Toronto
>> group and I said I would connect you. Are you the
>> best person to talk to about that? Should he come to
>> a meeting?
>>
>> Anyway, I will let the two of you take it from here.
>>
>> Keep fighting the good fight,
>>
>> Matt
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