[Stoves] SPAM Re: [Biochar] LPG and Advanced combustion biomass stoves FW: PRESENTATION ATTACHED THE WEEK OF CLEAN COOKING SERIES OF WEBINARS: Joint ESMAP-Clean Cooking Alliance: The Role of Liquefied Petroleum Gas (LPG) As a Household Fuel | October 18, 2021

Tue Oct 19 07:29:31 CDT 2021

Paul,

The benefit of cooking solely with lpg is better health.  But when stacked
with "unclean" cooking, the lpg health benefit is largely erased.  And as
the ESMAP document says, stacking is widespread.  They acknowledged the
stacking problem at the webinar, didn't they?

More directly, the adoption of lpg by families now cooking with biomass
will not significantly improve the health of most of those families due to
stacking.

Kevin

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 1:14 AM Paul S Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:

> *This is a link:     Comparison of Bottled Gas and Advanced Combustion
> Pellet Stoves
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> *To cookstove enthusiasts.*
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> *Above is an attachment and also a link of interest to all Stovers and
> also those biochar folks interested in cookstoves that make biochar.*
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> *Notes:      The attachment(and message below) is from TODAY’s webinar
> session on LPG.   Very important about the direction of world stove
> efforts.*
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> *A.   The Clean Cooking Alliance (CCA) is now focused on “Advanced cooking
> solutions” as has been defined by ESMAP (of the  World Bank) back in Tech
> Report 007/15 back in 2015.
> http://www.drtlud.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Stove-Classification-2017-04-10.pdf
> <http://www.drtlud.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Stove-Classification-2017-04-10.pdf>
> *
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> *This is exclusively Electricity, LPG, Natural Gas, Biogas, Alcohol, Solar
> (what are referred to as “clean cooking fuels”) plus  ONLY ONE TYPE OF
> STOVE THAT USES SOLID BIOMASS FUEL.   That biomass stove type is for the
> micro-gasifiers, commonly called TLUD stoves.   *
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> *B.  Charcoal and kerosene and other “improved cookstoves (ICS)” are
> really out of the picture except as something to be replaced.   *
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> *C.  Even in the world concerned about climate change and CO2 emissions
> from fossil fuels, LdPG is presented as having net lower emissions than the
> traditional and ICS stoves.  (Actually true because of black carbon and
> incomplete combustion).   And even LPG is considered to be something of a
> stepping stone to using electricity eventually for all the world’s cooking
> beyond 2050, (or some bio-sourced LPG, that I do not pretend to
> understand).  *
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> *C.  And that leads to the linked document that compares LPG with the ONE
> type of biomass stoves that is in the “Advanced Combustion” category, the
> micro-gasifiers.   And the article focuses on pellet stoves and therefore
> with fans.   Totally ignores the natural draft TLUD stoves.*
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> *D. There is no mention that the TLUD micro-gasifiers are actually Carbon
> NEGATIVE.   Because they make biochar, they are the ONLY cookstoves of any
> type that accomplish long term carbon dioxide REMOVAL, transforming via
> pyrolysis 50% of the carbon atoms in biomass by photosynthesis.   For
> climate improvement, the world should WANT the people who are already
> cooking with solid dry biomass to continue to cook with biomass fuel, but
> with a stove that is not only clean (meeting the ESMAP requirements as
> advanced cooking) but also accomplishing carbon sequestration by making
> biochar AND earning income for these impoverished people (while using only
> about half of the same biomass that they use now with traditional
> cookstoves.  Cumulatively, the current 500 million households that cook on
> solid fuels could sequester over 200 million tonnes of CO2e per year,
> bringing income via carbon credit sales to the world’s poorest 40% of
> population.   But those facts are NOT mentioned in either document.*
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> *E.  Note that these works are by ESMAP, a highly respected entity.   But
> the talking points of the LPG lobby are  found in the documents.   I thank
> ESMAP for the 2015 publication and for not forgetting about pyrolytic
> cookstoves in these 2021 documents, but they are overlooking important
> aspects of TLUD stove technology.   We have a climate to save and need all
> the possible help.  The money that the fossil fuel companies (and the
> governments that they influence) will put  into LPG for the poor (so that
> the LPG business can make a profit) could accomplish so much more if
> directed to making available to the poor the acknowledged ADVANCED
> cookstoves that use biomass and make biochar, the TLUD stoves.  I have
> published about this previously and can provide details for action.  TLUD
> stoves for the poor and for the climate are an opportunity waiting  to be
> recognized.*
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> *F.  And apparently the CCA has bought into this LPG advocacy hook,  line
> and sinker.   I hope that someone will forward this message to the
> leadership of the CCA and anyone interested in cookstoves and climate and
> biomass and biochar.   Biochar producing TLUD micro-gasifier stoves have
> been ignored repeatedly by the CCA and the GACC and the PCIA, going back
> many many years.  A little support once in a while would be appreciated, or
> even a chance to present such info at a CCA forum.  *
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> Paul
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[Stoves] ***SPAM*** Re: [Biochar] LPG and Advanced combustion biomass stoves FW: ***PRESENTATION ATTACHED*** THE WEEK OF CLEAN COOKING SERIES OF WEBINARS: Joint ESMAP-Clean Cooking Alliance: The Role of Liquefied Petroleum Gas (LPG) As a Household Fuel | October 18, 2021

[Stoves] SPAM Re: [Biochar] LPG and Advanced combustion biomass stoves FW: PRESENTATION ATTACHED THE WEEK OF CLEAN COOKING SERIES OF WEBINARS: Joint ESMAP-Clean Cooking Alliance: The Role of Liquefied Petroleum Gas (LPG) As a Household Fuel | October 18, 2021