[Stoves] ***SPAM*** Re: [Biochar] Charcoal producing electrical power plant

[Harris, Kirk]

All,

Some very constructive comments so far.  I am very fortunate. Thank you!

Ron, very constructive indeed, thank you.  I would like to see the work 
by Alex English.  He has impressed me in the past.  You give some valid 
warnings and options.

Paul, some good insights and cautions.  Both you and Ron suggest 
reaching out to professionals in the appropriate fields, which is an 
excellent thought.  Advice from experts in vibrating tables would be 
included.

Frank, thank you for the information and a differing point of view.  I 
looked at the diagrams you sent.  It appears to me that the involved 
company, Syncraft, views the charcoal as a fuel (as is the case with 
most biomass to electricity designs) and mostly burns it.  The saved 
charcoal appears to be what the system failed to burn.  What I am 
looking for is a system where electricity and charcoal are held as equal 
value products.  The Syncraft system goes through a complex system of 
filtering and cooling, so the heat energy does not go into the 
electricity, only some of the chemical energy.  The burner I presented 
is very efficient for burning wood gas, and produces very little in the 
way of particulates.  The heat of pyrolysis and wood gas combustion go 
straight into the steam, and modern boilers and steam turbines are very 
efficient.  The Syncraft system is a legitimate system for what it is, 
but it is a different concept then what I was looking for.  I don't 
consider my efforts to be solely American, but rather to put forward 
something that can help mitigate climate change and wild fires world 
wide, and to replace some amount of fossil fuels.

Frans, language differences makes it difficult for me to understand what 
you have written.  Your thought that a biomass system will return CO2 to 
the atmosphere does make biomass systems more difficult to promote.   
Good point!  The fact that half the carbon in the fuel is saved for 
sequestration doesn't seem to make a difference to some.  I would like 
to see your pyrolyser design.

Crispin,  it is good to know that Alex advanced so far.  Such a system 
can work!  That is good to know.  Do you know anything of the quality of 
the char?  With the focus today on climate change, and the damage fossil 
fuels are doing, perhaps such a system should be revisited.

Thank you all for such productive responses,

Kirk H.

On 10/24/2021 9:28 PM, Ron Larson wrote:
> Kirk and stoves list.  2 ccs
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>
> Constructive (?) comments:
>
> 1.  I suggest that your ideas have merit and should be pursued.  I see 
> nothing wrong with your diagram.
>  15 or more years ago, on the stoves list, Alex English modified 
> an existing commercial unit somewhat like your design - mainly by 
> speeding  up the moving biomass.  I believe considered successful
>
> 2.  But I believe yours  is too large a jump up for any single person 
> to accomplish without big money behind them.
>
> Three solutions:
> a.  Make a sales pitch to work with companies already doing something 
> similar - I think there may be more that 20 in the US alone, with a 
> thermal output focus.  The competition against PV, wind and batteries 
> is likely too tough in this size range..
> b.  Pick a smaller size final need and apparatus, where there is 
> little going on.  In this case continuous (non-batch) charcoal-making 
> heating stoves.
> c.  Maybe focus on a do-it-yourself audience - willing to use 
> horizontal 200 liter drums.
>
> 3.   I’d focus on wood chips - as being much cheaper and more readily 
> available than pellets.  Large pieces of wood don’t look at all 
> amenable to what you are proposing.  I don’t see much happening with 
> chips for combined char-making and heating.
>
> 4.  Conceivable that such a stove user could make money while heating.
>
> Constructive?
>
>  Ron
>
>
>> On Oct 24, 2021, at 8:08 PM, Kirk Harris <gkharris316 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> For several years I have been working on an efficient burner for wood 
>> gas from a TLUD wood stove.  The burner is well along, and is very 
>> efficient.  Now my attention has turned to producing wood gas and 
>> char on a larger scale for a carbon negative (relating to the 
>> atmosphere) electrical power plant.  Attached are documents which 
>> describe where the idea is going.  The pyrolyzer is a brainstorming 
>> idea.  The bluff body burner is quite well developed.
>>
>> Constructive comments are welcome,
>>
>> Kirk H.
>>
>>
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